Lila Nield wrote: Yes there is weed cloth below the gravel. Our yard has a slope south to north. So it would drain towards the blackberries, in general.
So if it were me, I'd actually intentionally drip irrigate through the gravel so the water would soak through the weed cloth and the roots of the fruit tree could happily live under there. Putting some punky wood in the bed part and inoculating with some microorganisms (via worms if you don't have easy access)
should give the tree a good place to start from. Watering well away from the trunk slowly where you'd like the roots to go has worked for me in several spots.
And wrote:
Yes it probably would be a gamble. I just have a small yard and would love to pack in the fruit.
Mother Nature gambles all the time. If you're willing to wait, many permies start trees by planting the seed and being patient! Personally, I'd rather receive a tree for my birthday, than many of the more conventional gifts.
Story time: I lived in Ottawa, Ontario when my kids were small. At that time, the law said that children must wear bike helmets, but said nothing about adults. I saw Dad leading a pack of 3 kids, and he was the only one without a helmet. I called out to the children that they should buy their Dad a helmet for Father's Day. He turned and stared at me, to which I calmly said, "who will take care of your children if you have a serious head injury?" He got the point - sort of that "wow - how right you are" look. We are convinced by advertising as to what are "acceptable" gifts. I think a tree is a wonderful
gift, and I'm often given seeds as gifts. However, sometimes we need to educate people to think outside the box and let them know that we are delighted with gifts from and for out gardens!