• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Anne Miller
  • Nicole Alderman
  • r ranson
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Mike Haasl
  • paul wheaton
stewards:
  • Joylynn Hardesty
  • Dave Burton
  • Joseph Lofthouse
master gardeners:
  • jordan barton
  • Greg Martin
gardeners:
  • Carla Burke
  • Ash Jackson
  • Kate Downham

Macular degeneration

 
gardener
Posts: 2003
Location: Grand Valley of Colorado's Western Slope
171
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I had a big grey field in the vision in my left eye this morning. It went away, but it seems very likely it would be macular degeneration if it did not go away.

I found Chris Knobbe MD's you tube that links AMD to industrial diet/ vegetable oils and sugar, and the data he presented was convincing.  His book costs near a hundred US dollars.  I asked my library to purchase a copy, but it will be awhile on that.  I have not been eating vegetable oils for at least 20 years, don't have sugar at home,I use honey and that sparingly, but I do sometimes eat ice cream and almond toffee from a local confectioner.  Knobbe says it is a 30 to 50 year lag between eating the vegetable oils and sugar for the condition we hear called "age related macular degeneration" to develop.   His point is that it is not age related as much as numbers of years away from traditional food ways (Weston A Price type stuff).

American Medical Association doctrine is that it is neither reversible nor curable, they recommend an artificial vitamin combination that has been proven to have little effect, and some people even get worse on them, so, though I do have an ophthalmologist in my town, I don't see much reason to go see him.  He'll just get in a state of emergency over it, and won'th ave much to offer that I would go along with, so why bother?

I also found an MD in Sante Fe New Mexico who devised what is called the Sante Fe protocol, which utilizes acupuncture, and has reversed the vision loss in some people.  He may have retired, but I sent an email to inquire about experienced practitioners of the Sante Fe protocol.  If he is only semi retired, I live close enough to go to Sante Fe...

I really don't want to lose my vision because with it would go my independence, and though I accept that years advance my chronological age, I still feel quite healthy and vigorous, and was planning to live another 53 years (to the age of 120, why not?).

And, I am asking this community for any and all experience and knowledge ofage related macular degeneration.  

Many thanks

 
Posts: 7639
Location: Ozarks zone 7 alluvial,black,deep clay/loam with few rocks, wonderful creek bottom!
1467
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

I had a big grey field in the vision in my left eye this morning.



I wouldn't assume it's 'nothing' (or macular degeneration).
My husband had a grey area in his field of vision probably fifteen years ago and just ignored...his other eye compensated well for the cloud in the middle of his vision (he's not sure if it came and went but he didn't always notice it).  Later he found that it was from a leaking capillary that led to a 'bubble' that healed in a way that damaged his central vision in that eye permanently and had he gone to his opthalmologist right away it could have been 'fixed'.  Now, in the past few months, he has had the 'cloud' in his vision darken and was told that it is more leaky capillaries and he is the middle of a round of shots to that eye to dry up the blood.  Apparently this is common after the first episode.

We are both sixty six and hoping to have our eyesight for the next thirty years at least but have both had damage from not keeping up with professional eye exams.  I have enough peripheral vision loss from years of untreated glaucoma that I can't drive anymore.  On the other hand my straight ahead vision is perfect as I had cataracts removed in both eyes a few years ago and lens implants that corrected my vision to practically 20/20.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter how well we eat and take care of ourselves sometimes it's worth getting a mainstream opinion to add to the mix so we can make some knowledgeable choices....usually I choose to avoid conventional treatments and try to treat with the 'food as medicine' route anyway, but the diagnosis is many times beyond my abilities.
 
gardener
Posts: 1813
Location: Zone 6b
209
cat fish trees books urban food preservation solar woodworking greening the desert
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Go in and get it checked. The retina is a fragile thing and leaking blood vessels or the like, won't heal. Sometimes they will laser back there to seal things up so the damage doesn't get worse...

You can do many things to support your vision, but this may be the physical/'mechanical' parts that are failing. Diet won't fix that. Please go in and get it checked.
 
Posts: 4
1
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I have been living with macular degeneration for 25 years now.  It comes and goes in severity and I have found a lot of it is stress related for me.  The fancy vitamins were not worth messing with as I never saw any difference with them or without.  I try to eat decently and not get into situations that induce eyestrain.  I will tell you that bright light is a problem.  If nothing else. go to the library and look up "Amsler Grid".  An eye doctor will surely give you one but if you want to avoid an appointment cost go make several copies of the thing and tack it up on a door or wall and use a pencil or such to locate the problem fields you have.  if you use the original as a base then you can change the grid once in a while and see if it gets better or worse and if the bad areas shift around.  Here is a link-choose one and run off some copies if you have a printer.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Amsler+Grid&t=peppermint&iax=1&ia=images

Avoid high consumption of alcohol as this seems to aggravate it.  Not experience talking but a medic told me that.  Good luck but DO keep abreast of what is going on with it.
 
pollinator
Posts: 274
Location: Worcestershire, England
58
hugelkultur purity forest garden fungi trees urban bike bee woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I was reading about rhubarb today and it mentioned Lutein which is apparently good for macular degeneration:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutein#Macular_degeneration

Looks like lots of common vegetables have high amounts of it.

 
The only thing that kept the leeches off of me was this tiny ad:
Greenhouse of the Future ebook - now free for a while
https://permies.com/goodies/greenhouse
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic