• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nancy Reading
  • Carla Burke
  • r ranson
  • John F Dean
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • Jay Angler
  • Liv Smith
  • Leigh Tate
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Maieshe Ljin

Advice for Yellowing Moringa?

 
Posts: 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hello, guys.  I planted a couple of small Moringa trees in pots almost one month ago.  When I received them they looked OK (a little yellow) but not dark green as I see in some pictures.  I believe I damaged part of the root structure when removing them from the hard plastic shipping containers.  Still, I planted them in Smartpots with a mixture of garden soil, compost, coco cuir, vermiculite, and sand.

A month later, they're still alive but don't look much better at all.  I live in Zone 8B and it has been hot, humid, and have had plenty of rain.  I don't know if it's the rain that's keeping them yellow.  I've since tried sprinkling Epsom Salt and calcium, and given them fish emulsion (thinking that the daily afternoon showers may have washed the nutrients away).  It could simply be that they're often in moist soil.  It would be great to keep them alive... can you help?

Here are the pictures:


This one looks a little bit better than the first...


You'll notice that their 'partner' (Mexican Sunflower, I think) isn't doing great either.  Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
pollinator
Posts: 888
Location: 6a
283
hugelkultur dog forest garden trees cooking woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I ordered four tiny mulberry trees this summer and they did the same thing.  

All four looked sickly and yellow for over a month.  I just left them alone and waited ten days between waterings.  If we had a good rain I waited an additional ten days.  They have snapped out of it but it took a while, probably transplant shock.  

I would be really careful feeding transplants, but you may know more than I do.

 
gardener
Posts: 1774
Location: Los Angeles, CA
562
hugelkultur forest garden books urban chicken food preservation
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Too much water.

The problem of growing plants in pots is that the sun beats on the side of the pot and heats the poor roots up to a million degrees, and dries out the soil daily.  So then you've got to soak the poor things daily to make sure they are getting enough moisture.  That flushes all the nutrients out of the soil, not to mention that the constant moist/dry cycle is hell on the little microbes.

Moringa doesn't need a lot of water, but it needs consistent moisture.  I get my plants into the ground as soon as they are viable (which yours are) and mulch them heavily to maintain consistent moisture.

If you intend to keep them in a pot, check the soil drainage.  Find a way to keep the sun from beating on the side of the pot and super-heating the soil and roots.

Zone 8B --- get them in the ground -- they should over-winter just fine in 8B.
 
Daly Gutierrez
Posts: 7
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thank you both!

I was afraid that it was the water, and the whole heating of the pots doesn't help (even though I'm using fabric smart pots).

I'm going to put them in the ground this weekend, guys.  I wasn't sure that they'd survive the frost in my Zone 8B weather, as the trees are really small... But I'm take the chance.

Thanks for the input.
 
gardener
Posts: 6814
Location: Arkansas - Zone 7B/8A stoney, sandy loam soil pH 6.5
1647
hugelkultur dog forest garden duck fish fungi hunting books chicken writing homestead
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
At this stage of growth get them into a spot with afternoon shade and let them dry out as the others have mentioned.
When you plant them in the ground is the time to make any nutrient additions.

Redhawk
 
Posts: 19
Location: Senegal, ~600mm rain, 9 mo. dry season
5
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I suspect an overabundance of water as well.

Moringa is native to areas that receive as little as 2-3 months of rainfall.  That means that they are very acclimated to dry conditions.  In heavy soils, I've seen even larger plants get stressed in wet conditions, although growing in straight sand they never really seem to mind our rainy seasons.
 
A teeny tiny vulgar attempt to get you to buy our stuff
A rocket mass heater heats your home with one tenth the wood of a conventional wood stove
http://woodheat.net
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic