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Use of low-grade wood (a little rotted or small diameter) in construction.
New carpentry connection for building temporary tent system.
Use:
- temporary structures in emergency and military circumstances,
- the beginning of the development of wild places,
- the beginning of the restoration of abandoned places.
Tools for couple: chain saw, sledgehammer, wrench, rope removable tensioner.
Reusable devices: buckles, 5 mm diameter steel rope, wedge hinges.
The pictures show:
1. Buckle.
2. Steel rope clamp with buckle.
3. Wedge and clamp.
4. Wedge, clamp and log.
5. Testing of the farm. Hipped roof.
6. Prototype.
Details:
https://forum.derev-grad.ru/kombinirovannie-doma-f124/ispolzovanie-nizkosortnoy-drevesini-v-stroitelstve-t76606.html
https://ardexpert.ru/article/13723
I'm interested in cooperation.
Thanks for attention.
Alexander Morozov, driller. Ph: +7 903 979 5133. Moscow region. Russia.

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Alexander

Where does one find the clamps and buckles you show? At this time in the U.S., those are not common - in fact I have never seen them before.


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Thanks for attention.
It's my family's invention. In Russia, only my family needs them. I want to learn how to make them for others. Does anyone need them? I can send a buckle as a gift.
I'm interested in cooperation.
Details: https://forum.derev-grad.ru/kombinirovannie-doma-f124/ispolzovanie-nizkosortnoy-drevesini-v-stroitelstve-t76606.html
Sorry, my English is bad. I can't do a good translation of a big Russian text. Это беда.
A similar case: Drilling roads in the swamp. https://ardexpert.ru/article/13723
 
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The value of this tool (the clamp) may derive from the local environment where it's used. That is, your area of Russia may have developed this tool and it's used a lot there. While in the U.S. loggers (for example) use different tools which we have traditionally used here, for the same purposes.

Do you have more pictures or video of the clamps, particularly in use?

How is it made? Does making it require large powered manufacturing equipment or can it be made in a shop?


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Here in the USA we have what is called Timber Mats, which are mats that are made of hardwood 25 cm by 25 cm and 5 meters long, bolted together to form a pad that is just over a meter wide. Using these mats, we lay them out over wet areas so that heavy equipment can traverse over wet areas, swamps, mud, streams, etc. They can be bought used by the power companies for only $90 US currency and make really good bridges and stuff for lighter equipment. I am pretty sure drilling and pouring concrete for roads would not be within what the typical landowner in the United States could afford though.


Your brackets, cables and buckles might be used in the use of round pole design though.


I once saw an article in an 1970's issue of Fine Woodworker, where a man made a shop in Japanese style by using #9 tie-wire to accomplish something similar without a lot of welding, and one-off production for a particular angle of a rafter, stringer or stud. The man just twisted the wire tightly together around poles, just as the Japanese do in making staging for instance over there. It is not exactly the build-it-for-life type building an engineer would like, but a lot of times, a building for a few years is enough to get someone by until something better can happen along.


Timber Mats:

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Driving I90 north of Madison WI, I saw literally miles of those timber mats laid out under  new transmission lines (future lines - at the moment there were only towers in place). Didn't realize they were bolted together. And they were used crosswise, not lengthwise, to make a road about 12' or so wide. Also parking areas. Putting in power lines like that takes a LOT of work!

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Hi Rufus

You wrote: «… your area of Russia may have developed this tool and it's used a lot there. While in the U.S. loggers (for example) use different tools which we have traditionally used here, for the same purposes».

In the USSR I was a very curious scientist (radio engineer). So now, I've done some research.
My research in the USA.
1. I sent a message on October 22, 2018 to http://forestry.freeforums.net/thread/156/use-low-grade-wood-construction ; (name-driller, password -1234567890). A few days later it was removed. Why? God knows! You know?
I sent a letters vainly
http://www.logbuildingtools.ca/log_handling_tools.html  ; https://www.timbertools.com/Log-Building-Tools/  ; http://www.bartlettman.com/Log-Handling-Tools
https://www.archdaily.com/catalog/us/search/category/construction-materials-materials-construction-systems-wood?ad_name=flyout&ad_medium=categories
http://www.warehousestructure.com ; (China for the U.S. Army!)
2. Letters from https://logrite.com ; :
October 25, 2018 Thank you. The information you submitted has been sent. Your message will be reviewed immediately and you will receive a
October 26, 2018 Are you looking to sell me tools?  Sell wood?  Buy tools from me?   Tammy Bantle. Tammy@logrite.com
3.  Letter from https://www.canr.msu.edu/outreach/ask-an-expert
October 25, 2018 Thank you for taking your time to submit your question to the Michigan State University Extension Ask an Expert group
This group only accepts questions from certain locations and does not take questions from the location attached to your question (Outside United States)
Please select your location and ask your question again to get in touch with local experts.
4.  Letter from U.S. Agency for International Development
November 11, 2018   Dear Morozov Evgeni,
We appreciate you sending us information about the [good/services] that you have available. For more information about working in a country with USAID, we suggest you visit: http://www.usaid.gov/partnership-opportunities/in-country-partners.
USAID partners with a variety of organizations – from small businesses and local in-country organizations to universities and international NGOs – to support and implement a wide range of development programs around the world. For more information … and so on.
I have not received such letters in Russian. I am curious about your opinion.

My research in Russia.
1. I sent letters in 2017 to the leaders of about 50 regions of Russia. I got answers from 27 regions: we do not know and do not need.  In my opinion, Russia is controlled by those who only knows how justly to divide the work of others, rights of others, the freedom of others, the lives of others. Therefore, they can only emulate belligerent effective managers from the USA. They can't emulate Steven Paul Jobs, Henry Ford, … Виталий Лазаревич Гинзбург, Николай Михайлович Амосов … Yes? No?
-  In the forest near Moscow(!) they left the logs to rot. Therefore, I came up with a buckle to build from rotten wood.
-  Because of them I wrote in 2014 http://www.xn--9-gtbdygk.xn--p1ai/house-for-refugees.html . (Loved grandma of my loved grandchildren was born in Makiivka (Ukraine?)).
-  They threw away on trash of shpuntubel his grandfather. Do you know this tool? I'll clean it and varnish it. It will decorate my desktop.
-  The mirror they threw in the trash helps me to pass the narrow gate of the garage when parking.
2.  I sent letters to universities in Russia: you can watch the message of September 27, 2018 in https://forum.derev-grad.ru/kombinirovannie-doma-f124/ispolzovanie-nizkosortnoy-drevesini-v-stroitelstve-t76606.html .
2.1. «...this communication may form the basis of the article if the authors proposals relate to temporary structures. With respect» Lyudmila Aleksandrovna Suleymanova, Professor, Belgorod. kafedrasigsh@mail.ru
2.2. "Dear Evgeniy Alexandrovich! We confirm receipt of your materials for publication. Your topic is interesting, both in terms of construction technology and the use of low-grade materials ...with respect", Nazim Yaroslav Viktorovich, Vice-rector of the Donbass national Academy of construction and architecture. People's Republic Of Donetsk, Makeyevka. (Ukraine?)   ya.v.nazim@donnasa.ru
2.3. "...the designs you propose ...cannot be used." Vladimir I. Linkov, Professor, Moscow Construction University, kanz@mgsu.ru
And so on.

Result: my message describes a new one for both the US and Russia.

You wrote: «Does making it require large powered manufacturing equipment or can it be made in a shop»?

The pictures show the tools for making buckles. These tools I made a few dozen buckles. I'll make a couple hundred. It'll be enough for my family. For the manufacture of very large quantity need to do more expensive and complex equipment, in particular, as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EpavW2XLIY ; only for seamless pipe diameter of 25 millimeters. The main requirement for manufacturing is high accuracy. It ensures the strength of the joint. Sometimes I think the buckle is uncomfortable. Perhaps it should be improved.
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The clamp could be replaced with a commercial product we have here called a 'gripple'. Like these:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?ff3=4&toolid=11800&pub=5575262299&campid=5338022167&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2FGripple-Plus-Medium-Gripples-2-00-3-25mm-Wire-Joiners-Stock-Fence-Line-Wire%2F292194721321%3Fhash%3Ditem4408299e29%3Am%3AmRmWB_lP22y5j9gFdfCrLEg%3Ark%3A2%3Apf%3A0

They can support a suprising amount of weight so I might see if I can do something similar with that one day.
 
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Alexander

Some of the websites you listed replied with exact reasons, such as they have a policy of responding only to contact from certain states or countries. Looking at the whole list, I would guess that they do not find your solicitation interesting for simple and practical reasons. This is the way of life and business - people have developed certain ways of conducting business (and life) and don't respond quickly or easily to different ideas from outsiders. 

It appears you have an idea (a product?) which you think might be worth something to others. Congratulations. You are now an entrepreneur! Unfortunately perhaps, promoting and selling something new does not always succeed easily. In fact, I would have to say that it _never_ succeeds easily. In the U.S. we have many stories of people who have succeeded at something only after trying many hundreds of times, looking for the right approach, the right product, the right idea. I think this is probably true everywhere.

You have contacted certain people, organizations, which seemed might be interested. I cannot suggest a better way - you are doing what must be done. Perhaps if you find people willing to discuss ideas with you, try to encourage conversations see what things you can learn. New approaches might occur to you from this talk, maybe new names, new applications. I have done what you're doing only very briefly and I found it quite difficult.  I believe that people can usually "succeed" provided they simply do _not_ stop pushing, trying. However, I also believe that the ideas and plans that do succeed very often do not look much like the originals - one needs to keep eyes open and change to discover what works. What you are doing here is known as "cold calling" - trying to sell or promote something by contacting people without ever having any prior connection with them at all. It's a truly difficult task but it can be learned. Once learned, the skill is valuable - more valuable for business than almost anything else one might learn.

I can only suggest you consider beginning your conversations by asking questions rather than just telling your story. Try to get to know the people while expressing your own plans. Networking. It helps, I think, to understand yourself and how your feelings and strengths might relate to your plans. For example, if you hate talking to people but you have good technical skills, you may need to find a partner with people skills. Or if you know, for example, logging very very well it will be easier for you to "connect" with other people who know logging because they will be able to tell that your are "for real". There is a very widely known book in this country titled "How to Win Friends and Influence People", written 70 years ago. It tells it like it is and gives many good ideas for how to promote and sell. I think you can find it easily and it might be helpful; it describes a way to approach people with the best chance of success and proper behavior.  The author, Dale Carnegie, was very successful.

The only other thing I can say is "market research". Learn what's out there and how you can fit in and enhance things.

Best luck,
Rufus
 
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1.Russia can only emulate today. Это беда.
2. Wire or steel rope. Soft wire with a diameter of 5 millimeters begins to collapse at a load of about 500 kilograms. Steel rope of the same diameter begins to collapse at a load of about 1500 kilograms.
3. State standards of the USA and the USSR define the rule of reliable connection of a steel rope as on the picture. I wanted to meet those standards.
4. I think about the manufacture of the body of the buckle from aluminum.
Thank you for attention.
(I ask you to show the grossest errors in my texts.)
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> errors...

"collapse" - for this usage, the usual word is "fail"


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Hi Travis

Timber Mats are not suitable for Soviet cars and roads with pictures. Do the United States have such cars and roads?
Scientists & engineers In the United States  “...have a policy of responding only to contact from certain states or countries» (Rufus).
What do these scientists & engineers think about drilling roads in the swamp  https://ardexpert.ru/article/13723 ?
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I readed just now.
The emergence of swamps in Russia: Let my cow die, just the neighbor's cow did not calve
http://smolnarod.ru/sn/eto-razumnoe-reshenie-smolenskuyu-oblast-xotyat-ostavit-bez-dnepra/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
"Это разумное решение": Смоленскую область хотят оставить без Днепра. Смоленская область может стать разменной монетой в "битве за Днепр". Тему лишения Украины вод Днепра подняли на телеканале Россия-1 в программе "Вести недели". Проблема в том, что любой сценарий обезвоживания Украины неизбежно повлечет за собой лишение Днепра и Смоленской области.
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