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 Paul calls up some of his usual suspects from his patreons (Katie, Kyle, and Mark) along with a couple of new comers (Joshua and Weston, although the latter's mic was on the fritz) for the latest iteration of the permaculture smackdown, with a more hard-hitting focus on renewable power sources.
 
 As people continue to demand batteries and solar panels, there’ll be continuous demand to provide cheaper, better versions of them that produce and store more for less money and raw materials, or indeed just cheaper materials.  Both have seen major improvements in the last few years, with solar panels producing vastly more power and being recycled much more, while batteries see steady improvement with a lot of money being thrown towards researching a replacement for the expensive, toxic, and difficult to extract lithium, whilst battery recycling takes off properly.
 
 Katie raises the concern that, despite her ascension into permie-dom and the acquisition of all the skills and experience that comes with that, a lot of people, specifically those that aren’t accustomed to building their own stuff, will just want to get a luxuriant Rocket Mass Heater built and installed for them from a catalogue rather than going all the way and building one and gathering fuel for it.  If that sounds like your jam, check the links below for a list of builders that can sort you out.  Another knock for commercial RMHs is that they can’t currently be plugged into a thermostat, so someone that just wants to throw money at the problem now has to also spend time feeding it rather than just kicking back and watching telly or something.  Even using a pellet hopper means that you’ll occasionally have to get up and refill the thing with wood pellets making it a step away from a true fire-and-forget solution.
 
 
Relevant Threads
 
 Recycling forum
 
 List of Rocket Mass Heater Builders
 Liberator Rocket Heaters website
 
 Solar forum
 
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 This podcast was made possible thanks to:
 
 This podcast was made possible thanks to:
 
 Dr. Hugh Gill Kultur 
 Kyle Neath 
 Bill Crim 
 anonymous 
 Chris Sugg 
 Kerry JustTooLazy 
 
Jocelyn Campbell
 Bill Erickson 
 Sasquatch 
 G Cooper 
 Dominic Crolius 
 Penny McLoughlin 
 Mehron Kugler 
 Pasquale DeAngelis 
 
havokeachday
 Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist 
 Greg Martin 
 Mark 
 Sean Benedict 
 Rita Bliden 
 Dana Martin 
 Candace Dahlk 
 Keith Kuhnsman 
 Leanne 
 Eric Tolbert 
 Nick DePuy 
 Nathan Hale 
 Opalyn Brenger 
 Polly Jayne Smyth 
 Todd Gerardot 
 Katie Young 
 Ivar Vasara 
 Brent Lawson 
 Weston prestage 
 Candice Crawford 
 Chris Holtslag 
 Song Zheng