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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
"People get out your way, when you're on fire". Richard Prior
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Susan Pruitt wrote:I guess I just have a problem with the concept of "nothing bad will happen as long as we take great care". A couple of old sayings come to mind, "shit happens", and "the devil is in the details" I know in my calm, little life as a single "mature" lady, I take great care not to screw things up, have a bad accident, leave the door open because I'm distracted, drop a bag or a box spilling the contents..... and yet ....stupid shit happens (can I use that word here? I want to use it for dramatic effect). Just last week I broke my baby toe on the door frame because I didn't realize the door was locked when I tried to push it open coming back into the house with a bin of sawdust which of course went all over the floor (do not ask me why I bring sawdust into the house, lol). So all I can say is I love bugs - in the yard, but I'm glad I don't live next door to anyone who wants to start a cockroach factory because it's hard enough to keep them out of my kitchen now.
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hans muster wrote:Interesting!
But why don't you use native cockroaches? There are so many species.
Life always finds a way, and if you use an african one at least a couple will manage to get out.
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Mike Jay wrote:Are the African cockroaches the OP mentions the same thing as the Dubai cockroaches? The impression I got from the OP was that this was a new thing.
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Trace Oswald wrote:
Mike Jay wrote:Are the African cockroaches the OP mentions the same thing as the Dubai cockroaches? The impression I got from the OP was that this was a new thing.
I'm sure they aren't the exact species. Dubia roaches are from South America. Madagascar Hissing roaches are from Africa and are closely related to Dubia roaches. I assume, and that may be a mistake on my part, that they are very similar since the OP said they are tropical, flightless roaches. My thinking is that since they are both tropical, their temperature requirements would be similar. As I said, I could be entirely wrong about that.
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Mike Jay wrote: As is I'm planning on doing vermicomposting with the hope of feeding the worms to my chickens periodically.
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Ryan Hobbs wrote:......Roaches are better than other insects for one major reason: they contain a protein that builds muscle mass, repairs damaged tissues, and fights infection. So, not only do they replace less sustainable dietary protein sources, they also replace the use of antibiotics in livestock......
Trace Oswald wrote:Dubia roaches are very, very easy to raise. I raise them in big rubbermade bins. They can't climb the plastic sides. They don't bite or smell bad, and get very large. Given the proper temperature, they breed very rapidly. I maintain colonies in the tens of thousands with no problems at all. They eat almost anything. I'm happy to post pictures if anyone is interested.
The roaches can't live in cold weather, and require a temp of 90 or so to breed, so the chance of them becoming a problem here is as close to zero as anything I've seen.
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Justin Bjornsson wrote:
Ryan Hobbs wrote:......Roaches are better than other insects for one major reason: they contain a protein that builds muscle mass, repairs damaged tissues, and fights infection. So, not only do they replace less sustainable dietary protein sources, they also replace the use of antibiotics in livestock......
Just to be clear, since I have less than zero knowledge of roaches being from northern Canada, do all roaches contain this special protein? Or just the one species you're getting from Africa? Thanks in advance.
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i raise 3 of the hardiest non native species of roaches. dubias, lobsters and red runners. have had all escape on me. none survived. maybe in the southern u.s but not here. these are woodland roaches and don't survive indoors. very clean and no smell. my birds love them! if fed a clean , balanced diet, id have no problem eating them.Mike Barkley wrote:I'm all for thinking outside the box. I've also eaten more than my fair share of bugs. Not that roaches as human food is your goal. I do have similar concerns as the others have mentioned though. My initial thoughts were it's not nice to mess with Mother Nature & intentionally introducing africanized bees to the western hemisphere seemed like a good idea at the time. Definitely will be watching this thread because it is a fascinating concept. Way outside of my area of expertise so I'll end with please proceed with extreme caution & seek as much expert advice as possible. Good luck.
Meredith McClary wrote:The myth that native species are uniquely "adapted" to an environment and therefore must be able to out compete introduced species is just that - a myth. This is why we have major issues with introduced invasive species - everything from Norway rats through tumbleweed through several species of imported insects and other animals - including several species of cockroaches, hogs, and feral horses - have become invasive.
Many introduced species find they have no predators, or they outbreed the indigenous competition, or they have other advantages.
Please don't do this. The last thing we need is another introduced species.
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Meredith McClary wrote:The myth that native species are uniquely "adapted" to an environment and therefore must be able to out compete introduced species is just that - a myth. This is why we have major issues with introduced invasive species - everything from Norway rats through tumbleweed through several species of imported insects and other animals - including several species of cockroaches, hogs, and feral horses - have become invasive.
Many introduced species find they have no predators, or they outbreed the indigenous competition, or they have other advantages.
Please don't do this. The last thing we need is another introduced species.[/quote ]
Meredith McClary wrote:The myth that native species are uniquely "adapted" to an environment and therefore must be able to out compete introduced species is just that - a myth. This is why we have major issues with introduced invasive species - everything from Norway rats through tumbleweed through several species of imported insects and other animals - including several species of cockroaches, hogs, and feral horses - have become invasive.
Many introduced species find they have no predators, or they outbreed the indigenous competition, or they have other advantages.
Please don't do this. The last thing we need is another introduced species.[/quote ] they can't survive up here. they're a tropical species. thats why they are so popular as feeders for reptiles/fish and such. on the other hand the german roach does well in colder areas and is native to the north. i would never raise cold weather roaches. I've had dozens of all 3 species i have, that got loose in my house over the years. i either find them dead or near dead and put them back in the totes. they can't survive in a house like the local roaches can. only places they can survive is down in florida, where they are banned.
dubia roaches have been extensively evaluated for their nutritional content and are found to have very high protein and other valuable nutrients compared to other roaches and bugs. if you forget to feed them, they will survive on cardboard and their dead. they absolutely could be a survival protein source for people in lean times.Trace Oswald wrote:
Meredith McClary wrote:The myth that native species are uniquely "adapted" to an environment and therefore must be able to out compete introduced species is just that - a myth. This is why we have major issues with introduced invasive species - everything from Norway rats through tumbleweed through several species of imported insects and other animals - including several species of cockroaches, hogs, and feral horses - have become invasive.
Many introduced species find they have no predators, or they outbreed the indigenous competition, or they have other advantages.
Please don't do this. The last thing we need is another introduced species.
In this case, it's absolutely true that native roaches would out- compete this introduced species. This particular species can't survive or breed here. People have been raising them for many years here already with no issues. Native cockroaches thrive here, breed maniacally, carry diseases, and are impossible to get rid of. The exotic species don't carry diseases and die if they aren't kept in controlled environments here. They are a healthy, nutritious food source and could very well do a great deal to keep humans from starving to death if cultivated as a human food source.
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