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Buster Parks wrote:Hi Nedloh,
I relate to much of what you wrote. I'm planning a series of road trips over the next six months to hopefully find a fit for myself. And my two semi-domestic cats. The Denver area has a lot of great people, but it's so spread out and sporadic, it's time to cash out I think. I'm interested to see if some new ideas come up in your thread.
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If you fail to plan, you plan to fail. -B. Franklin
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Nedloh Seaux wrote:
Buster,
Nice to hear from you and see that there are others with similar sentiments. I hope you have a pleasant trip. Traveling with cats can be an interesting process depending on the cat. Do you have a set direction in mind or might you just see where the wind takes you?
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...running an hut in the Village and keeping the powder dry...
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Nedloh Seaux wrote:
Where am I to go? What am I to do? Who is out there?.....These questions have proven difficult to answer.
Nedloh Seaux wrote:Who am I?
Nedloh Seaux wrote:To be specific, I long for a clean and enriched community, one free of heavy pollution; I am using the word pollution to refer to both harmful substances in the environment (water, air, soil, food, noise, light pollution) and harmful attitudes & values present in society (fear, hatred, bigotry, willful ignorance, consumerism).
Nedloh Seaux wrote: I long for a place where I can be a part of something meaningful, where I can grow as an individual and work beside others with similar lifestyles and viewpoints; a place where I can be close to the Earth, working with my hands and learning age-old traditions..... Does such a place exist?
Elfriede B wrote:
from my personal experience: I lived the first few years of my life in a community like they had existed for hundreds of years and the this particular lifestyle basically faded away in the middle of the last century. I experienced the tail end.
Communities interacted with the "world out there" but basically there was a pretty strong local economy. You had farms, which had their "headquarters" house, barns etc in the village, with fields and meadows in the surrounding countryside. The poorer members of the community worked on the farms. Often it was the young,unmarried who got their first job there and stayed with it until they saved enough to buy a piece of land and build a house. Big farms also might have a family living permanently on the place in a house just for them. The family would have a garden, goats and chickens, maybe a cow, they would get the feed/hay from the farm and worked for the farmer. The community would have a blacksmith, he made farm implements and repaired them, nails and tools, and shoed horses; a cobbler/shoemaker who made shoes and repaired them; a spinster who made her living as the seamstress. If there was lots of work in one house, for instance a daughter getting married, she would come and stay and work in that house. There would be a bakery and a brewery, a pub or two, a butcher who butchered at his place, but also came to your house. There would be a few masons, carpenters, roadworkers employed by the community, a cabinet maker who made furniture, doors, windows and coffins. There would be a store or two. Most families would raise most of their basic food, keep goats or a couple of cows, chickens and geese. Fowl was free ranging. Children had to tend to the flocks of geese in fall to keep them on harvested oat fields. The community had some communal land that was used by all for geese, for instance, and at times to bleach linen. There was a midwife, a priest, a barber and a teacher.
Two supplement income some families would produce brooms, tool handles, clogs, hayrakes, wooden spoons during winter. There were also several wood turners who made household items like bowls and platters, rolling pins, butter molds, needle boxes, table and chair legs. These items were sold at big markets outside of the community. Since I grew up in a mountain village with large forests, the raw material was wood (lets not forget the sawmill). In other areas the local industry might be pottery, if there was a lot of clay there, for instance. In my area, but before my time, they also grew flax and it was spun and woven into linen which was sold.
Fences were maintained, this was not communal living. I would call it intensive neighborhood. People depended on each other for help in emergencies, for their social life and entertainment. Certain work was done in cooperation, for instance to put a roof on house or barn, the neighbors pitched in. There was music and singing. In winter the women and girls would congregate in different houses to do the spinning. Of course I was a mere child but I felt very secure in my world, knew everybody, learned a lot because I liked to watch what people were doing. The community was pretty busy and humming along since most people were at home. Crime was about nonexistent, though some boys might have a fight over a girl. Everybody stayed pretty much on the straight and narrow, after all, what would the neighbors say.
Diana Leafe Christian wrote:
We came up with an idea of starting a new community but NOT using the "community" word at all. Of NOT using a word that would draw those who wanted connection and "family." That would draw people who wanted to join a community so they could feel accepted, valued, included, snuggled, heard, or helped out socially or emotionally. (Does this sound familiar?)
Instead, we asked, what if a group promoted not "community," but the starting of something called "a small, ecologically sustainable human settlement," that was seeking members to help manifest that dream. It would be seeking farmers, gardeners, beekeepers, welders, people who could repair things (from autos to small appliances), entrepreneurs and people with already existing small cottage industries, investors, home-builders and carpenters, meeting facilitators, administrators, bookkeepers. It would seek founders and early members with certain qualities: confidence, high-self esteem (not arrogance), good will, happiness, focus, disciple, work ethic.
We all knew that "the community spirit" would arise naturally from a group of people like this who were drawn to creating a "small, sustainable human settlement." In our theoretical idea, we'd draw the happy and confident and skilled, and deflect away the lonely, needy, and unhappy.
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Huxley Harter wrote:Warning! Long post!
Nedloh Seaux wrote:
Where am I to go? What am I to do? Who is out there?.....These questions have proven difficult to answer.
Write down your beliefs, dreams, non-negotiables, future plans. Get it on paper in front of you. I find this clears up lots of vague areas. Write down unanswered questions. This helps to find the answers.
Nedloh Seaux wrote:Who am I?
Big question. Keep working on it.
Nedloh Seaux wrote:To be specific, I long for a clean and enriched community, one free of heavy pollution; I am using the word pollution to refer to both harmful substances in the environment (water, air, soil, food, noise, light pollution) and harmful attitudes & values present in society (fear, hatred, bigotry, willful ignorance, consumerism).
Free from heavy amounts, possibly. But humans aren't perfect as far as attitude and all that (myself included).
Nedloh Seaux wrote: I long for a place where I can be a part of something meaningful, where I can grow as an individual and work beside others with similar lifestyles and viewpoints; a place where I can be close to the Earth, working with my hands and learning age-old traditions..... Does such a place exist?
It is my understanding that such places were fairly common when age old traditions were literally their way of life. Think pre-cheap energy. Even better, indigenous tribes. (Human Rewilding is definitely something to look into, that's a whole other topic though.)
As far as today, yes, rather hard to find though.
Here's a couple interesting tidbits (from this thread https://permies.com/t/1794/travel-community-path )regarding such a place:
Elfriede B wrote:
from my personal experience: I lived the first few years of my life in a community like they had existed for hundreds of years and the this particular lifestyle basically faded away in the middle of the last century. I experienced the tail end.
Communities interacted with the "world out there" but basically there was a pretty strong local economy. You had farms, which had their "headquarters" house, barns etc in the village, with fields and meadows in the surrounding countryside. The poorer members of the community worked on the farms. Often it was the young,unmarried who got their first job there and stayed with it until they saved enough to buy a piece of land and build a house. Big farms also might have a family living permanently on the place in a house just for them. The family would have a garden, goats and chickens, maybe a cow, they would get the feed/hay from the farm and worked for the farmer. The community would have a blacksmith, he made farm implements and repaired them, nails and tools, and shoed horses; a cobbler/shoemaker who made shoes and repaired them; a spinster who made her living as the seamstress. If there was lots of work in one house, for instance a daughter getting married, she would come and stay and work in that house. There would be a bakery and a brewery, a pub or two, a butcher who butchered at his place, but also came to your house. There would be a few masons, carpenters, roadworkers employed by the community, a cabinet maker who made furniture, doors, windows and coffins. There would be a store or two. Most families would raise most of their basic food, keep goats or a couple of cows, chickens and geese. Fowl was free ranging. Children had to tend to the flocks of geese in fall to keep them on harvested oat fields. The community had some communal land that was used by all for geese, for instance, and at times to bleach linen. There was a midwife, a priest, a barber and a teacher.
Two supplement income some families would produce brooms, tool handles, clogs, hayrakes, wooden spoons during winter. There were also several wood turners who made household items like bowls and platters, rolling pins, butter molds, needle boxes, table and chair legs. These items were sold at big markets outside of the community. Since I grew up in a mountain village with large forests, the raw material was wood (lets not forget the sawmill). In other areas the local industry might be pottery, if there was a lot of clay there, for instance. In my area, but before my time, they also grew flax and it was spun and woven into linen which was sold.
Fences were maintained, this was not communal living. I would call it intensive neighborhood. People depended on each other for help in emergencies, for their social life and entertainment. Certain work was done in cooperation, for instance to put a roof on house or barn, the neighbors pitched in. There was music and singing. In winter the women and girls would congregate in different houses to do the spinning. Of course I was a mere child but I felt very secure in my world, knew everybody, learned a lot because I liked to watch what people were doing. The community was pretty busy and humming along since most people were at home. Crime was about nonexistent, though some boys might have a fight over a girl. Everybody stayed pretty much on the straight and narrow, after all, what would the neighbors say.
Diana Leafe Christian wrote:
We came up with an idea of starting a new community but NOT using the "community" word at all. Of NOT using a word that would draw those who wanted connection and "family." That would draw people who wanted to join a community so they could feel accepted, valued, included, snuggled, heard, or helped out socially or emotionally. (Does this sound familiar?)
Instead, we asked, what if a group promoted not "community," but the starting of something called "a small, ecologically sustainable human settlement," that was seeking members to help manifest that dream. It would be seeking farmers, gardeners, beekeepers, welders, people who could repair things (from autos to small appliances), entrepreneurs and people with already existing small cottage industries, investors, home-builders and carpenters, meeting facilitators, administrators, bookkeepers. It would seek founders and early members with certain qualities: confidence, high-self esteem (not arrogance), good will, happiness, focus, disciple, work ethic.
We all knew that "the community spirit" would arise naturally from a group of people like this who were drawn to creating a "small, sustainable human settlement." In our theoretical idea, we'd draw the happy and confident and skilled, and deflect away the lonely, needy, and unhappy.
Based on that I do believe its possible to find or make a village like you described. I would recommend getting hands on experience and a solid definite skill in preparation for such an opportunity.
Sorry for the long post I hope you find some good info in there and good luck!
Bernard Alonso
International Human Permaculture
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