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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
I think the s.h.i.b. circle might also include some from the anarchist groups that are drawn to permaculture.
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
In my attempts to expand the thinking of non-permie folks, it helps to have permaculture viewed as more of a scientific environmental movement and design system than a radical, fringe activist movement. The former will attract much, much more interested people than the latter.
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tel wrote:
though I can't speak for that entire crowd, I'll cop to having anarchist tendencies. for a lot of folks, myself included, it's easy to assume that because we have this one thing in common (permaculture) we're going to have a lot of other things in common (political alignment, social ideas, socioeconomic strata, dietary practices, et cetera). I think this may stem from being part of marginalized groups.
tel wrote:
I think that's really a function of the crowd you run with, Jocelyn. I know plenty of people who have been completely alienated by the scientific community and pseudo-scientific cranks as well as the mainstream environmental movement. presenting permaculture as an extension of any of those wouldn't get me much traction.
tel wrote:
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that said, we need folks with strong background in more mainstream small-scale agriculture for these positions. I'm hoping to nudge things toward permaculture over time, but that's a goal, not a starting point.
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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
I suppose I've talked in places on here, or at the WA Permaculture Convergences, about working and living in more traditional, suburban or even corporate crowds. That's not who I run with.
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:I really think we're largely in agreement here, which is cool.
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paul wheaton wrote:
In the second diagram: this is what I think most people think of when they hear the world "permaculture.
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https://permies.com/permaculture-forums/455_0/permaculture/list-of-best-permaculture-readings
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bruc33ef wrote:
From what I can glean from secondary sources, one of the reasons the founders attempted (unsuccessfully) to copyright the term 'permaculture,' is that they recognized the difference between perception and reality and the tendency for perception to overtake reality without 'controls.' What happens is the notion of 'concept stretching,' whereby something starts out meaning one thing and winds up meaning something quite different. This is usually not as much a process of evolution as one of corruption -- a concept being co-opted by those who seek to use it to promote an agenda or who use it out of ignorance until it becomes a meaningless bromide; a trite cliche. Consider the concept of "democracy" as a good example. Countries from Burma to North Korea to Cuba each identify themselves thusly in obvious corruption of the original meaning. Arguably, even the US distorted it from the original ancient Greek meaning; i.e., the concept becomes unhinged from its meaning. It becomes a one-size-fits-all fashion term. Now I haven't seen in this forum anyone using the term 'permaculture' to describe the clear-cutting of tropical rain forest or the like (yet), but I have seen some practices identified as permaculture and not permaculture that sure make me wonder if the poster has any clue about the meaning. If permaculture can mean anything then it means nothing. ("If ether is everywhere then it's nowhere," to use the famous philosophical dictum.) Therefore, as stated in another thread that somehow now is considered "meaningless drivel," I think there should be some recommended readings for people coming into the forum to get their feet wet. If that's meaningless then I'd sure like to know what you consider meaningful.
Gary
paul wheaton wrote:
So now I'm confused. You quote something that appears in the permaculture forum and then you talk about meaningless drivel. Then you talk about burying stuff.
I don't get it. What is buried?
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My feeling is that I think it would be okay to talk about this sort of thing in the meaningless drivel forum as long as people speak respectfully to each other - talk about the issues, and not about the other participants in the discussion.
And at the first sign that stuff is getting .... uncomfortable ... I should delete the thread.
The nice thing about deleting stuff from the meaningless drivel forum is that nobody should be mad about it. After all, if they are mad then it must have had meaning, and, therefore, is not appropriate for a forum called "meaningless drivel". Right?
If the thread started off mentioning this stuff, then it might have a longer lifespan.
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