I'm about to put a hammer mill on the credit card, so I thought it would be prudent to subject the subject to a + vs -
I don't see allot of equipment talk on the forum's I usually have to go dredging in constructions or landscaping forum's to sift any competent education and review on pretty much everything that has an engine. Permaculture
has allot of mechanical folk, but often times they also skate on frugality lane. So much is do it yourself that we don't talk allot about mechanical implements outside of the designers manual. Allot of us don't have agrarian backgrounds, I never knew how they stored hay
or how do they mow down tall brush, and whats a flail anyways.
So I've been pruned to the trunk from the early days with so much of the crap that get's shoveled onto gardener's an anyone prone to buying something on the basis of it being handy. All my handy things are in a box now called useless.
Now when you get past gardener scam's life get's allot more expensive, mistakes can be stroke causative, tools and implement's seem to become vaguer and vaguer in there criteria to actually sell
you a product. I can read 49 reviews for a toilet scrubber, but when it comes larger more commercial implements it's as if, if you don't already know why you should
give me your money I'm not going to waist time telling you so give me your money. You can't find a salesman you can only find a purchasing clerk.
I had to be told by a computer programer that when his dad bought something for the farm they use to let him try it out for a week. If you don't know it's going to work then why would you buy it was the motto. Now adays your blessed if someone on youtube has something, and if not you might get one still photo and a blurb that's suppose to be your reason to buy.
I went through the same dilemma when I bought a Geo Tea Brewer, I had to argue and argue with the sales people
, prove to me why I should give you 4k to bubble poo, I need facts, I need tables, I testimonial's from people I can look up, I need to see your profit
margin, I've gotta do better than "well geoff lawton
has one". That's not an explanation I can give to my inner creditor, I always got emotional reason's to buy but where's my logical reason's to buy.
Todays case is hammer milling.
I've searched this forum, mostly it's made reference to as a hypothetical option to solve a problem, or some post of mine where I was dreaming of the things I could do. Does anyone have an experience
, own's one, has done all the research and hopes to own one, can anyone make references to what are it's duties in processing. Yes I know it pulverizes but what are it's rules. Is anyone using it in a consistent capacity within a growing situation that it can actually pay for itself. I had always herd of it but mostly in the talks of Bill Mollison
in reference to processing one thing or another, but never really dedicated to the uses of equipment. An Excavators and Earthshaping tools yes, I've only gotten to use an excavator for 3 or 4 days once when a neighbor was in a good mood, but wow I'll be in love forever. It was the best form of creative art
I know I want to make animal feed
, fuel pellet's, soil amendments, and animal bedding with it, and I see how that could bring it's use from seasonal to bi weekly.
I realized today when I was looking at item's that are what organic farmers use as "clean fertilizers" I'm not great with fertilizing yet. There seems to be allot of nutrients that are just ground up dry plants. Then it clicks in that's alfalfa meal and I know what to do with lucerne, theres bone meal, and on an on. I wonder where's dandilion, thistle, nettle
, plantain, mulein and so on meal, all those things feed the soil, but if I just go chucking plants around plants in the pne it will be two year's from now before there broken down. Everything that levels up my compost
could hit soil to be composted in sheet mulch
rather than the 300 cubic ft of winter flipping compost
. I could really turn the blackberry into an key element after the rabbit's are done with the leaves, I can slash down those ferns to make bedding without spores.
It's not that anything being presented is not doable without machines, but it's a matter of appropriate technology
for scale and bending time in the establishment of systems. Nobody should be able to turn bad soil into good soil faster than a permie
, and permie doesn't mean dirty hippy holistic
hand tools by definition just because we all love being holy and dirty and wielding hand tools. Earthworks
is a category that get's it's due education, but my request of debate and experience is with processing technology. Nobody has a budget to blow, but just like deciding I can't keep stuffing hay in my sportscar trunk if I'm this serious I need a truck. I don't hear much about the other end of establishment "Processing", there's so many dimensions to permaculture
that are indirectly linked to food.
Processing is that value added stage where everything value start's to shoot up logarithmically. Is it any different if I turned all my compost
ingredients into sawdust particles then composted that? No having to design a bootleg tumble sifter to make potting soil anymore and so on.
I originally wanted to know if anyone had heard of the C.S Bell Co and their mills vs someone like pellet pros which seems to cover youtube as soon as you type pellet.
I don't think
it a good time financially to max out the credit card, but as everything's turning yellow, even if all I did was maker layer mash'o'garden for the ducks or briquette fodder for the rabbit's I would be ahead in their health and my experience to the point where I can say. How i'll look at next season will never be the same.
I could finally mulch that dam 40 foot wisteria cuzz pulverized bit's dont root
. All those weeds would be to die for if they can go in the soil predigested.
I'm hoping to hear about versatility, I've never touched a tractor
but when I see what a pto can do I finally understand why people can't say no. I don't know enough
about how things go in any agricultural sense. I'm one of those people who got caught by permaculture
and shoved over their desk.
Not just the hammermill in general, just writting this has made me feel like I've made the right decision, and even though it doesn't = cash, I can see if a very short amount of cycles I'll be at the stage where I have a system that beg's the question what do you use, and then I can break out the 25 plant soil amendment pellet.
I could just grow veggies and call it a permaculture
life, but for the ambitiously aggressive that will put it a dam, build a biodigester, design their own rocket stoves, make the infamous 4 foot high hugelkulture mounds "which should not be done by hand" We need to share up the intellectual investigation's we hide from our husbands and wives.
I must of typed rocket "stove, mass, heater, portable" 40 times this week and watch the same 4 videos of paul's 10 times. All I wanted to do was build something that required no mess, could be taken apart with a shop vac and a flathead screwdriver, and also functioned to dry a 10x14 outdoor room full of plants. 3 days ago it was framing glass. Tomorrow morning it's rocket mass heater
drying room radiant floor cookstove outdoor kitchenette. I love this, one minute im playing around with a 1G Tlud the next a vertical feed rocket stove
, and by tonight I'm raising the floor because radiant heat beat's the pants off convection heating. There's just so much to explore, and I loved all but there's harsh lines between tinkering yourself broke and making serious investment decisions. So I'd hope when I go to take a plunge it's on the best wisdom of my pears and their vision of poly potentiality, not fallacious marketing
literature nor the linear vision of a monoculturalist.
I could go on but the soapbox i'm standing on is begining to compost.