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Walipini, underground greenhouse, geothermal greenhouse

 
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Making plans for our eventual forever homestead. We're looking into moving to Montana (zone 3 most likely). I would love to be able to grow certain plants that only grow in zones 8-11. Pineapple, banana, tumeric, citrus, aloe vera etc

Can I accomplish this with one of these greenhouse methods? Im not necessarily opposed to heating it with a rocket mass heater in the dead of winter if needed. Obviously it would be better if I didn't have to heat it.

What if I wanted to grow plants that grow in zones 7-4? Would I need a different greenhouse or is there a way to make 'zones' inside one greenhouse? Some of these plants would be perennials so they have to survive the winter.

And last if I could be pointed towards materials about this topic that would be great!
 
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Here is something to consider. Nebraska is not quite as cold as Montana, but it still gets cold. (Spoiler: He uses geothermal air to heat and cool his greenhouse.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk
 
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A combination is probably your best option. Each has its own drawbacks and positives, but it will probably have to be site specific. For example, a high water table will eliminate most of the walipini positives, while if there were a lot of rocks in the ground you probably don't want to be digging enough for geothermal. Half-walipini with geothermal might give you what you're looking for, but again it's going to be site specific. Without knowing where it will be you can't really plan.
 
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Yes I have seen the greenhouse in snow but he's in zone 5a so I wasn't sure if I'd get the same results
 
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We are currently building a hybrid greenhouse like this ,level ground though not sunken as my mom is in a wheel chair and needs flat access. I see this post is from 2 years ago and I am wondering if yours got built and how you are liking it.? I am in Northern BC Canada zone 3.
 
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I haven’t built anything yet. This was very tentative research for far in the future. I’m still 5-10 years out from building our property
 
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I think a combo of thermal mass storage and heat transfer is needed, to counter heat loss to the external glass. If the air doesn't get too cold, then warm soil/roots can keep plants alive in 1 or maybe 2 zones colder areas. But beyond that I'd suggest moving air through a warmed mass to keep it from getting too cold, along with blankets or some method to limit heat loss from the glass too.

I have the book "The Forest Garden Greenhouse": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26251273-the-forest-garden-greenhouse and it goes into a variety of steps they take to grow plants that need a higher USDA zone to survive their cold winters. They tend to manage a 4-5 zone shift, growing say zone 9-10 plants in zone 4. They bury air tubes several feet deep under the greenhouse, insulate the soil under it from the external soil, and then run fans to pump hot air through the soil to keep it cooler in the summer and then when the temps drop to run the air through at night to keep the air at say 40F. When the soil gets cooled off too much, then they need to supplement heat and do that using a sauna that's attached to the north wall of one of the greenhouses, and they leave the door into the greenhouse open.

They also design the greenhouse so that the north wall has thermal mass to be heated by low winter sun but is shaded from high summer sun. They also use stone retaining walls that are shaded by climbing plants in the summer but exposed during the winter to absorb heat. I would think that a solar panel and battery to power a fan that turns on only when the temperature is outside a certain temp range, meaning it is on if the temp is below say 45F or above 90F, near the top, but is off between 45-90F.
 
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My own opinion is that walipini is a really great idea if you live nearer the equator.  In northern climates, the sun angle is much lower and the plants don't get enough light to survive.  There are several good options for greenhouses built for northern US climates.  Deep winter greenhouse research done by UMN is great stuff, as is the "Citrus in the snow" greenhouse.  In short, earth tubes and a greenhouse that is heavily insulated on all except the south side is probably the direction I will go when I get around to that project.  
 
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