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My family always grew a "patty pan" summer squash that I loved.  It was an heirloom in our family, but one that apparently was not shared with extended family.  Most of my family is dead, and those that are left... the few who grow food, seem to have never heard of it.  My family is half French and has been in the Carolinas for about 400 years.  So, looking for the "patty pan" I find a French heirloom and a native American heirloom... but neither look or taste quite like what we took for granted.  The squash my family grew were always white - not green, striped or yellow.... always pure white. They were, of course, scalloped.  But, they were also flattish... not bulbous in the middle, but certainly thicker in the center than the edges.  If anyone can help me source seeds, I'd be very appreciative.  Sliced, breaded and fried, no squash I've ever tasted comes close.  They were only slightly sweet, and very rich... not watery at all... meaty but light.

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These might not be what you're looking for, but it's possible. They are both apparently heirlooms.

https://www.victoryseeds.com/squash_early-white-scallop.html
https://www.victoryseeds.com/squash_summer_bennings-scallop.html

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Lauren Ritz wrote:These might not be what you're looking for, but it's possible. They are both apparently heirlooms.

https://www.victoryseeds.com/squash_early-white-scallop.html
https://www.victoryseeds.com/squash_summer_bennings-scallop.html



Thanks - some similarity.... but not the same.  The ones we grew were flatter... less cup shaped... white like the first one, but scalloped like the second one

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This is the most similar I can find in appearance https://eatwellenjoylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Patty-Pan-Squash-2.jpg  But, the ones in the photo look a little... don't know... wan/weak?  The ones we raised were white, but had a vibrancy I can't describe.

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https://www.rareseeds.com/store/vegetables/bulk-vegetables/squash/white-scallop-squash
 
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B. Rey. wrote:https://www.rareseeds.com/store/vegetables/bulk-vegetables/squash/white-scallop-squash



That may be it!  I wonder if my ancestors crossed that one with a French patisson?  If that one isn't it, it is a very good starting place.  Thanks!

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Hi there,

Here in France we call them patisson, would it be what you are looking for?

http://www.lagrainetiere.com/graines-potageres/38-patisson-blanc-graines.html

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Olga Booker wrote:Hi there,

Here in France we call them patisson, would it be what you are looking for?

http://www.lagrainetiere.com/graines-potageres/38-patisson-blanc-graines.html



That looks very much like it, too... but slightly different.   I really wonder if when my French ancestors settled here, they may have brought some seeds with them.  Then, seeing a native variety that looked so similar.... probably began growing both and they crossed.  The flesh/texture of the French squash looks right - firm, bright but tender.  But, the shape was most consistently like the Native American squash.  I think I'll try oth and maybe a couple of others and breed for the taste and texture I miss.

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I am sure that overtime they would have cross pollinated.  If not, they would have just adapted to their own surrounding, climate, soil etc...  When we moved to France from the UK, we noticed that although we had the same flora and fauna, somehow, everything was a tiny bit different.  A bit bigger or a bit smaller, a bit greener or a slight different shape.  Quite extraordinary really if you think about it.  After all it's only 800 miles.  Imagine what it could do, crossing the big pond and landing in the US.

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Olga Booker wrote:I am sure that overtime they would have cross pollinated.  If not, they would have just adapted to their own surrounding, climate, soil etc...  When we moved to France from the UK, we noticed that although we had the same flora and fauna, somehow, everything was a tiny bit different.  A bit bigger or a bit smaller, a bit greener or a slight different shape.  Quite extraordinary really if you think about it.  After all it's only 800 miles.  Imagine what it could do, crossing the big pond and landing in the US.



Well put.  Also, my French folks came from 3 distinct regions of France in three waves of immigration about 50 years apart, so they may have brought multiple varieties of seeds with them.  Only one group came directly to coastal Carolina.  The first came here after spending a couple of generations on sugar plantations in the islands.  The last came here via Nova Scotia/Acadiana.  So, that too is a huge geographical diversity.

"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"

 
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