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Historical images of the elder, and a final thank you/gift

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Thanks for having me everyone.  

If you want to get any of my books, you can at johnwmoody.com  - you can use the code PERMIES to get free shipping for the next two weeks on any order of two books or more.    I think many of you would love my Winning the War on Weeds Book as well as The Elderberry Book and Frugal.  

if you do get a copy of any of my books and enjoy, would you please consider leaving a review on Amazon, Good Reads, and similar places?   It makes a world of difference for us authors!

Finally, I hope you all fall in love with, plant, and propagate elder.  It once was far more common across the continental US than it is today - fence line to fence line corn and soy... then they tore out the fence lines... so that endless crap monocrop from Ohio to Colorado has significantly reduced the prevalence of this amazing and important plant.  

If you are looking for hardwood cuttings (my preferred method to start new cultivars),  Michael Brown is a great resource,


Here are some more historical images of interest and note going back into the 1600s.   I plan to have a few online courses all about the elder(berry) available by late Spring if that would be of interest.

With appreciation,

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Thank you for joining us, and for the gift. There's been lots of good discussion this week, and we've enjoyed having you on the forum.

I liked your elderberry book a lot and want to read your other books now. We have 3 reviews up of the elderberry book on Permies, all 10 out of 10 acorns: https://permies.com/wiki/133915/Elderberry-Book-Forage-Cultivate-Prepare
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Thank you so much @Kate!  I think people will enjoy the other two, and I have two more coming out this year - one on sourdough I wrote with my amazing wife, and one on profitable homestead pigs.

Be well all!
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Lovely scans of the old books!
I have to admit I expected something different when I saw the thread title as English is not my native language - I thought it had to do with Native American elders (=people, not a tree)!

The elder tree is one of my dearest. The sight and perfume in June is something that delights my heart. Especially when you see them flowering against the walls of an old farmhouse or barn. The elder was not only a sacred tree to the Germanics but had a high reputation through all times. There is a saying here in (Southern) Germany that you have to lift your hat (to show your respect) when you see an elder tree.
The flowers and fruits have always been used in the local cuisine and have recently seen a revival: There are jams and syrups (which you can add to flavour champagne) and even cough drops all including elderflower. There is a very popular recipe where you put 2 dozen elder flowers in two liters of natural orange juice, let sit for one day, strain and then add sugar to cook jam. Delicious!

Let me see if I can upload an image:

...if that doesn't work, here is a link to a site with a photo of an elder against an old farmhouse:

In June, when driving through the prealpine regions of Upper Bavaria you see lots of flowering elders among the (hay) fields, mostly leaning against a wooden barn.

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