• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • r ranson
  • Nancy Reading
  • Carla Burke
  • John F Dean
  • Jay Angler
  • paul wheaton
stewards:
  • Nicole Alderman
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Anne Miller
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • Nina Surya
  • Matt McSpadden
  • thomas rubino

Chickens under fruit trees

 
Posts: 717
Location: NC-Zone 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
So I decided to run the chickens under my fruit trees this year to get an bug larvae. Problem, they are digging so far down that its exposing some roots. My trees have only been in our ground for a few years and are probably 4-5 years old. Any advice? I thought well maybe its just time to move them, but I want to make sure they get all the bad bugs like the codling moth. Thanks for any help!


 
gardener
Posts: 361
Location: Central New York State zone 5a
13
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
It's not advised to let chickens enter a system until it's established, and you have a lot of options. You can tractor them and move them around so they don't scratch too much, paddock them for the same strategy, or you might be able to lay down cardboard and stones on top of that as a protective layer immediately around the trees. 4-5 yr old trees could have extensive roots though, how big are they?
 
Rob Seagrist
Posts: 717
Location: NC-Zone 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
The roots aren’t too extensive, the caliper is probably less than 2.5 inches. Im already rotating them through a paddock ala Paul Wheaton and they have only been in there for a few days. I have 4 hens. I laid some rocks over top which helps, but I thought the point of having them under the trees is to keep bugs down, and if they can’t get to the bugs then it kinda defeats the purpose or am I missing something? Thanks for your response.

 
Isaac Hill
gardener
Posts: 361
Location: Central New York State zone 5a
13
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Might just wanna wait a year then to let the trees get more established
 
                          
Posts: 32
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I know it's not 'by the book' but I've been planning a way to get my birds in the orchard sooner than later as well- and I just know those hens are going to scratch up all my my beautiful mulch and asparagus/rhubarb/comfrey etc etc.
My most likely action will be to make chicken wire "collars" to lightly cover the mulched area. Nothing fancy, and somehow allow the herbs/plantings to poke through without being squashed. Poultry definitely find route of least resistance.

 
Rob Seagrist
Posts: 717
Location: NC-Zone 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Ive done a bit of that too, its just impossible to tell if that is defeating the purpose or not. I guess we could do a control area and do protected vs not protected and see if those trees have issues or not.
 
master gardener
Posts: 4902
Location: Upstate NY, Zone 5, 43 inch Avg. Rainfall
2098
monies home care dog fungi trees chicken food preservation cooking building composting homestead
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I rotate my chicken pasture through my yard and part of it has fruit trees. I have found that they chickens run straight to the trees to start kicking out the mulch around it and digging into the root zone for delicious treats.



Small trees require me to put in two stakes into the ground and wrap chicken wire to prevent them from digging right up against the tree. Larger trees don't fare much better but seem to weather the onslaught just fine. I can't accredited it solely to the chickens, but my peach trees have grown significantly after some chicken time in the area.
 
Posts: 89
7
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Loose branches/brush scattered around the base of the trees can protect them from scratching and help out the soil as they break down.
 
pollinator
Posts: 91
Location: New Hampshire
54
duck forest garden trees chicken sheep wood heat
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
There must be some good stuff in there! I run chickens through my orchard. Most trees in the orchard are between 4 - 6 years old. It's usually the mulch they are after because that is where the treats are found.  They will usually stop digging once the mulch is gone. We have a nectarine in our layer chicken system that is one of our fastest growing trees, doesn't seem to be affected by chicken tilling. Once they dig up the dirt around the soil, just get ready to add wood chips back under the tree once you've moved them on. I don't get too worried about surface level roots the chickens expose from my fruit trees from time to time. I'll just rake soil back over and re-mulch after the chickens move on. My trees seem to be growing just fine.
 
pollinator
Posts: 1732
Location: southern Illinois, USA
309
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
when I've done this I just throw all kinds of stuff up under and around the trees...scraps of fencing, old shingles, scrap metal, branches and sticks, anything that they can't get through easily to dig down.  Once the trees are 2 or 3 inches across at the base, a cluster of rocks, concrete chunks, bricks, etc. right around the base of the trunk is usually sufficient.   The benefit of running chickens continuously under fruit trees can be dramatic.  In southern Georgia years ago I was able to get 75% worm free fruit on early peaches this way.  Even the people from the extension office came out to see it!
 
pollinator
Posts: 537
Location: Finland, Scandinavia
415
trees
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I placed some stones around the tree trunk. Anything heavy works actually.
 
I AM MIGHTY! Especially when I hold this tiny ad:
Binge on 17 Seasons of Permaculture Design Monkeys!
http://permaculture-design-course.com
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic