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Figured that I would make one of these posts as well, seeing as I am growing a bunch of different things this year. First post will have a few tomato seedling that I have going. Pretty much all wild ones for this one. Apolgies for the blurry photos, lighting in the room is bad and I am using a phone camera which has trouble focusing. Some of the leaves look a bit "diseased"(aren't really) etc, mostly from an earlier fungus gnat infestation that came in from one of my potting mixes that I left outside over the winter. Planting Peruvianum and habrochaites close together, seems to have been a bad idea due to habrochaites growing faster and shading out the smaller Peruvianums. Also have a few other tomatoes and wild types that I will add here in the future, maybe tomorrow? Planning on attempting crosses with habrochaites x domestics as well.
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left S.habrochaites from hrseeds, right S.peruvianum from EFN(Joseph seed)
left S.habrochaites from hrseeds, right S.peruvianum from EFN(Joseph seed)
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S.habrochaites from woodlandzcreationz
S.habrochaites from woodlandzcreationz
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S.peruvianum from woodlandzcreationz
S.peruvianum from woodlandzcreationz
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Wild Peruvian Tomato / Currant from HRseeds. Seeds were smaller than other currants I have grown, odd leaf / growth type in my opinion compared to other tomatoes
Wild Peruvian Tomato / Currant from HRseeds. Seeds were smaller than other currants I have grown, odd leaf / growth type in my opinion compared to other tomatoes
 
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Good looking plants Garrett. Welcome to the world of hard green unpalatable tomato relatives!

I'm really hoping the G2 generation of the 1/4 wilds back crossed to Joseph's Big Hill will be tasty! Joseph got some nice ones in the F1/G1 and sent me some seed. I planted all the seed I grew as well.

Also including a photo of the best clump of pure Solanum penellii I've got growing this spring. Hoping it will donate pollen to a peruvianum.

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Tray of 1/4 wilds
Tray of 1/4 wilds
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Best clump of pureach penellii
Best clump of pure penellii
 
Garrett Schantz
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Posting some tomato stuff, seedlings etc. Here is a list of what I'm mostly growing in flats: - Using 4 packs, two types of tomato per 4 pack mostly, seeing test as to what I like the best along with other traits.
2 Brandywine Pink Tomato - 2 Big Pink Hybrid(Not using for pollen or saving seed)
2 Costoluto Florentino - 2 Reisetomate
2 Cherokee Purple Tomato - Purple Russian
2 Vintage Wine Tomato - 2 Variegated Tomato
2 White Beauty - 2 Green Gage
2 Ananas Noir - 2 Wagner Blue Green
2 Black Cherry Tomato - 2 Black Vernissage
2 White Currant Tomato - 2 Hartman's Yellow Gooseberry
2 Chocolate Cherry Tomato(Not using for pollen or saving seed) - 2 Yellow Pear Tomato
2 Blondkopfchen Tomato
2 Cafe Blue Tomato - 2 Blue Cream Berries Tomato
2 Silvery Fir Tomato - 1 Unknown? - 1 Free Mixed Free
2 Pimps - 2 Kamatis Na Ligaw
2 Everglades Tomato - 2 Tess's Landrace Currant
2 Wild Currant Peru Tomato - 2 "Wild" Pink Cherry Humboldtii Tomato (Might not actually be wild, but had a trait of interest)
2 Galapagos Island Tomato 2 HR Solanum Peruvianum
2 Solanum Peruvianum woodland - 2 Solanum Villosum Golden Pearls ( Not a Lycopersicon but seems like a fun thing to grow)
4 Solanum Habrochaites woodland
2 HR Solanum Habrochaites - 2 Solanum Peruvianum Tomato Joseph-EFN
Also have a few more wilds starting to germinate, not listed here. Might make a table for these instead in the future? Seems cluttered here. Also might do close ups when I get a new phone or cameras, hard to get camera focused on my phone. Used my old IPad Mini for these photos.
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Some of my domestic tomatoes, doing large garden this year.
Some of my domestic tomatoes, doing large garden this year.
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Mostly "wild tomatoes" One of the Habrochaites types I got is highly sensitive to light, so it is a bit upset.
Mostly "wild tomatoes" One of the Habrochaites types I got is highly sensitive to light, so it is a bit upset.
 
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Here are some other things near garden as well. The flowers are bordering my garden area to attract beneficial insects and things like that. Also planting more flowers in this area once I am sure all frosts are done. The area doesn't look too attractive, but that isn't its purpose. Might look nicer once flowers reseed next year and fill out spaces / weeds. Also strawberries in that area too, few different species and varieties. Posted some stuff from wooded area, because I will probably be getting berries and things like that from there.
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Grape Hyacinth, Mullein, Burdock, Chamomile, Some Kind Of Stonecrop
Grape Hyacinth, Mullein, Burdock, Chamomile, Some Kind Of Stonecrop
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Lamb's-ear, Lovage, Stonecrop,Common Sage near the top,Brassica Volunteers, Lettuce Volunteers, Dandelions, More Stonecrop
Lamb's-ear, Lovage, Stonecrop,Common Sage near the top,Brassica Volunteers, Lettuce Volunteers, Dandelions, More Stonecrop
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Few different species / varieties. Picked species and varieties that all have a possibility of hybridization. Planted last year, hoping to get fruit this year. * All alpine types *
Few different species / varieties. Picked species and varieties that all have a possibility of hybridization. Planted last year, hoping to get fruit this year. * All alpine types *
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Ornamental sterile cherry shurb. Probably edible fruit as well.
Ornamental sterile cherry shurb. Probably edible fruit as well.
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Believe this to be some kind of "Cherry" it had fruit on it last year. Hoping to make use of some of it this year.
Believe this to be some kind of "Cherry" it had fruit on it last year. Hoping to make use of some of it this year.
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Black Raspberries that group throughout woods.
Black Raspberries that group throughout woods.
 
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Haven't updated in awhile. Decided to take a few pictures yesterday. Hoping my "Wild Tomato From Peru" (Place I bought it has no name except that for it, they don't know anything about it other than they received it from Peru, and that it matures later in season.) manages to get pollinated by habrochaites. Hoping to make some wilds mixed with each other. Have a little spot that I will be putting dropped tomatoes from currant types with pistils exposed, maybe a few other currants that will have self pollinating trait selected out. All of the photo I posted are from the same space. Habrochaites and my "Wild Tomato from Peru" ( Just going to call it WTFP to shorten it) are basically touching. WTFP has a good bit of flowers, but seems to have small stems that sprawl out in all directions, for the most part isn't shooting upwards. Small flower / leaves as well. Also no roots on any of WTFP's stem, rubbed fingers on branches - hardly any "hairs" as well. Seems odd for a Pimpinellifolium. Granted it is a unlisted accession and Peru has a wide selection of Pimpinellifoliums that are unknown or only exist in Peru or to researchers. Other tomatoes nearby are: Everglades tomato, Silvery Fir Tomato. Everglades will most likely pollinate WTFP. WTFP has an odd growth style for me, it does creep out from weeds so it isn't being shaded out. But the plant seems impossible to stake or cage, when I had it under lights it grew up straight. Eventually outside it stopped going upwards and started having growth in all directions. Technically more stems and flowers than the everglades, but the stems are much smaller - not thick at all, loaded with flowers as well. Volunteers from it should be fun to play around with. I do plan on messing around with it's growth style though. Wonder if these traits would be more compatible with wilds...

Anyway a bit cluttered there, I will post my squash and things eventually as well. I didn't weed the area the wild tomatoes are in too much, up until recently. Wanted to see how they did with weeds. They all did fine with weeds. Except for Wild Galapagos scented type tomato and Solanum Peruvianum. Both grew a bit too slow.
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Picked up stem from "Wild Peruvian that was laying on dirt for weeks now, doesn't seem to be rooting
Picked up stem from "Wild Peruvian that was laying on dirt for weeks now, doesn't seem to be rooting
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A seed decided to germinate, figured I could show this too.
A seed decided to germinate, figured I could show this too.
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Seems to have a different flower types / shapes. Pistil is just outside of all of the flowers - chance of cross pollination.
Seems to have a different flower types / shapes. Pistil is just outside of all of the flowers - chance of cross pollination.
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Flowers are a bit smaller than my self pollinating habrochaites and my outcrossing habrochaites flowers. Fruit seems around the same size.
Flowers are a bit smaller than my self pollinating habrochaites and my outcrossing habrochaites flowers. Fruit seems around the same size.
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Peruvianum, only one plant survived, or rather came up from seed that didn't germinate. May or may not set fruit.
Peruvianum, only one plant survived, or rather came up from seed that didn't germinate. May or may not set fruit.
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Pistil exposed on this type. Will probably cross with my self pollinating habrochaites (hirsutum?)
Pistil exposed on this type. Will probably cross with my self pollinating habrochaites (hirsutum?)
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Another photo I took of outcrossing habrochaites.
Another photo I took of outcrossing habrochaites.
 
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Garden is about done now. Still harvesting, but probably no new tomatoes, peppers etc. Took a photo of a few pimpinellifolium and habrochaites fruits a few days ago. Also took off a bract from the pimpinellifolium, the ones currently on the plant are quite long, the fruits get smaller as it grows - also seems to put off more shoots or stems from the flowering stems creating more flowering stems. Domestics don't seem to do this. Could probably get some fun crosses with this. Planted the exerted pimpinellifolium between two habrochaites, might get some crosses. Currently have a good bit of seeds from the pimpinellifolium germinating as I am testing for any crosses. If I notice any I will grow it inside and hand pollinate it with another seedling or one of the parents. Not expecting too much, but an F2 would be nice. The pimpinellifolium could benefit from somewhat larger flowers and fruit. Can't even really cut up or use them currently.
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Pimpinellifolium and Habrochaites fruits
Pimpinellifolium and Habrochaites fruits
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Bract of Pimpinellifolium
Bract of Pimpinellifolium
 
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Few images of a volunteer growing in weedy area of garden. Corn was too wet and didn't come up in this corner. Sort of just let it go for some reason... Not sure what species these are, tossed a bunch of seeds collected from pods last year, already collected enough for replanting - they came up months ago. Grew arugula, radishes, komatsuna, tatsoi, turnips last year, allowed winter cress to grow in the area as well for flowers and greens. Garlic mustard was present but I removed it before it went to seed and used the greens chopped up on fish.
Edit: Seems to be black spanish radish - leaves aren't too rough though - granted its flowering. The flower buds are unusually "spiky". I found another flowering radish nearby with white flowers and smooth buds. Maybe different varieties.
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Camera didn't focus too well
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Figured since the garden is about done I would post some fruits near the garden area. And a plant that I am probably still keeping in for a little bit longer - just to see how long it will flower and grow. Some sort of physalis species. Grew Aunt Molly's ground cherry last year - this isn't it, wild type it was in this spot last year but I didn't really pay much attention to it. Maybe some sort of escaped tomatillo from somewhere? Don't really have many neighbors, the neighbors I do have don't seem to have gardens, one does but I can't imagine them growing ground cherry sized tomatillos. Fruit I picked up is still somewhat green but appears to be turning purple, sticky as well. Stems are pretty hairy too. Might as well save seed since I am planning on growing a few different species of physalis next year. Trying to find a good tasting type/species, too bad they don't really cross with each other (physalis heterophylla and physalis virginiana can apparently cross according to some reports). Habrochaites is putting on some buds again, flowers could attract bees again and hopefully some developing fruits could get hit by a frost at around a month, if they get that far - might effect the growth of seeds next year? I have a good bit of seedlings right now from earlier fruits, I might post some of them if I notice crosses or just any odd leaf types, which I have noticed some odd ridges that the pimpinellifolium I grew doesn't have, or ridges that are too far into the leaf. Foliage on the type I grew wasn't all that uniform, finding any actual crosses might be a bit annoying. Would rather not have a large amount of "off type" seedlings in pots everywhere looking for flowers/fruits...
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Physalis fruit beside wild pimpinellifolium type fruit and slightly larger volunteer tomato fruit
Physalis fruit beside wild pimpinellifolium type fruit and slightly larger volunteer tomato fruit
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Foliage / plant - has been chopped a few times so might actually be taller
Foliage / plant - has been chopped a few times so might actually be taller
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Foliage of pimpinellifolium that I posted before, seems to be recovering from blight pretty well
Foliage of pimpinellifolium that I posted before, seems to be recovering from blight pretty well
 
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Garden is still somewhat alive... Saw a bee visiting peruvianum and habrochaites flowers. It didn't bother with the small pimpinellifolium flowers though. Assuming that habrochaites is somewhat sensitive to daylight considering the flowers are now larger and way more flowers than there were previously. Also posting somes leaves. Also posting a single seedling from a bunch that I put in a pot. All of these seedlings are offspring from the pimpinellifolium, but they are already obviously crosses / look off type. And they smell sort of bad - have pretty long hairs on the stem. Some leaves are sort of "glossy". The pimpinellifolium had almost no hairs on the stems and leaves. Could have crossed with domestics that were farther away.
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Bee visiting peruvianum briefly, prefers habrochaites. Also another flower that it was attempting to pollinate fell off...
Bee visiting peruvianum briefly, prefers habrochaites. Also another flower that it was attempting to pollinate fell off...
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Bumblebees love habrochaites apparently, linger on individual flowers for quite a bit.
Bumblebees love habrochaites apparently, linger on individual flowers for quite a bit.
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Left is from a bush type of habrochaites, middle is the pimpinellifolium, right is a long branched type. Both habrochaites are glossy leaved. Pimpinellifolium grew in between the two.
Left is from a bush type of habrochaites, middle is the pimpinellifolium, right is a long branched type. Both habrochaites are glossy leaved. Pimpinellifolium grew in between the two.
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A single seedling from a bunch of pimpinellifolium seedlings. Smells odd, somewhat glossy leaves. Also some serration. Lot of hairs too. Hopefully a habrochaites cross.
A single seedling from a bunch of pimpinellifolium seedlings. Smells odd, somewhat glossy leaves. Also some serration. Lot of hairs too. Hopefully a habrochaites cross.
 
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I have some habrochaites x pimpinellifolium seedlings growing inside now. No flowers yet, maybe in a few hopefully.
Garden is pretty much done. Habrochaites leaves were all black amd drooping / soggy this morning, I pulled the plants and took off semi-ripe fruit that came from larger fall flowers on the plants. The fruits are rather soggy due to the frost / cold. Pimpinellifolium is just dead, the habrochaites actually had new growth at the base.
Also harvested some unripe runner beans and some off type succotash beans that are supposed to be half runners. Some of them were half runners - normal type. Some grew up the metal pole alongside the runner beans, had markings on the pods and took longer to ripen - they are supposed to be dry beans. I grew the succotash beans last year among other beans, so they could have crossed I suppose. Waiting for the off type beans need to dry before I say anything for certain. But I probably won't see too much bean variation if its an F1. I tried Marvel Of Venice and Slippery Silks beans in the same spot. Planted these beans to try and get an ornamental / edible type of spot. No flowers matched, and no yellow or red pods. So those probably rotted. I grew these beans in a rocky area with a bit of soil on the top for germination. Yield wasn't a big goal. Good bit of flowers, most fell off even though bees were visiting them.
Grew Moldovanesti Buffalo runner beans this year as well. Also grew some runner beans originally from Migardener. Believe this is my third year growing them and saving seed. Unsure if they are still selling the same type as it was unnamed, purple and black colored. This type has some off-type beans this year. Could be due to harvesting them unripe. First year growing two different types of runner beans, so probably not a cross. Showing the off type succotash beans, runner beans. Pink beans could just be a lack of developed colors due to the stage I had to pull them at.
Don't really have an area inside to hand beans upside down and let them ripen indoors. Not enough pods to warrant attempting that either. Cold weather tends to damage beans that are full of water / unripe. Some still may be viable.
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Far right pink beans grew on green, most likely unripe runner pods. Also grew taller than type beside it. Type beside it, grew on beans with markings. Far left are correct types.
Far right pink beans grew on green, most likely unripe runner pods. Also grew taller than type beside it. Type beside it, grew on beans with markings. Far left are correct types.
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Runner pods with markings had the larger pink / blueish beans which are still drying. Bright green pods had pink runner beans inside. Far right were odd succotash beans.
Runner pods with markings had the larger pink / blueish beans which are still drying. Bright green pods had pink runner beans inside. Far right were odd succotash beans.
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Succotash bean pods with discoloration in pods.
Succotash bean pods with discoloration in pods.
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Pulled bean plant. Some pods are visible.
Pulled bean plant. Some pods are visible.
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Fruit from habrochaites that turned brown overnight due to weather. Very soggy.
Fruit from habrochaites that turned brown overnight due to weather. Very soggy.
 
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Some pimpinellifolium crosses. First two images are of plants I started inside. Third image is of off type plant showing same stems as the pimpinellifolium. The others are ones I brought indoors a good time ago. Threw pimpinellifolium and habrochaites fruit in a rocky area to see if they came up / did well next year. Some came up in a small group looking off type, so I brought them inside screened off from indoor plants - watched for any signs of blight. Some may be habrochaites x pimpinellifolium.
Bees could have went to other garden and brought pollen back so there could be domestic crosses as well. Plant in first image is putting of multiple stems / branches now. Looks like small buds are forming, will post flowers and such when that happens.
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