Figured that I would make one of these posts as well, seeing as I am growing a bunch of different things this year. First post will have a few tomato seedling that I have going. Pretty much all wild ones for this one. Apolgies for the blurry photos, lighting in the room is bad and I am using a phone camera which has trouble focusing. Some of the leaves look a bit "diseased"(aren't really) etc, mostly from an earlier fungus gnat infestation that came in from one of my potting mixes that I left outside over the winter. Planting Peruvianum and habrochaites close together, seems to have been a bad idea due to habrochaites growing faster and shading out the smaller Peruvianums. Also have a few other tomatoes and wild types that I will add here in the future, maybe tomorrow? Planning on attempting crosses with habrochaites x domestics as well.
Good looking plants Garrett. Welcome to the world of hard green unpalatable tomato relatives!
I'm really hoping the G2 generation of the 1/4 wilds back crossed to Joseph's Big Hill will be tasty! Joseph got some nice ones in the F1/G1 and sent me some seed. I planted all the seed I grew as well.
Also including a photo of the best clump of pure Solanum penellii I've got growing this spring. Hoping it will donate pollen to a peruvianum.
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Posting some tomato stuff, seedlings etc. Here is a list of what I'm mostly growing in flats: - Using 4 packs, two types of tomato per 4 pack mostly, seeing test as to what I like the best along with other traits.
2 Brandywine Pink Tomato - 2 Big Pink Hybrid(Not using for pollen or saving seed)
2 Costoluto Florentino - 2 Reisetomate
2 Cherokee Purple Tomato - Purple Russian
2 Vintage Wine Tomato - 2 Variegated Tomato
2 White Beauty - 2 Green Gage
2 Ananas Noir - 2 Wagner Blue Green
2 Black Cherry Tomato - 2 Black Vernissage
2 White Currant Tomato - 2 Hartman's Yellow Gooseberry
2 Chocolate Cherry Tomato(Not using for pollen or saving seed) - 2 Yellow Pear Tomato
2 Blondkopfchen Tomato
2 Cafe Blue Tomato - 2 Blue Cream Berries Tomato
2 Silvery Fir Tomato - 1 Unknown? - 1 Free Mixed Free
2 Pimps - 2 Kamatis Na Ligaw
2 Everglades Tomato - 2 Tess's Landrace Currant
2 Wild Currant Peru Tomato - 2 "Wild" Pink Cherry Humboldtii Tomato (Might not actually be wild, but had a trait of interest)
2 Galapagos Island Tomato 2 HR Solanum Peruvianum
2 Solanum Peruvianum woodland - 2 Solanum Villosum Golden Pearls ( Not a Lycopersicon but seems like a fun thing to grow)
4 Solanum Habrochaites woodland
2 HR Solanum Habrochaites - 2 Solanum Peruvianum Tomato Joseph-EFN
Also have a few more wilds starting to germinate, not listed here. Might make a table for these instead in the future? Seems cluttered here. Also might do close ups when I get a new phone or cameras, hard to get camera focused on my phone. Used my old IPad Mini for these photos.
Here are some other things near garden as well. The flowers are bordering my garden area to attract beneficial insects and things like that. Also planting more flowers in this area once I am sure all frosts are done. The area doesn't look too attractive, but that isn't its purpose. Might look nicer once flowers reseed next year and fill out spaces / weeds. Also strawberries in that area too, few different species and varieties. Posted some stuff from wooded area, because I will probably be getting berries and things like that from there.
Haven't updated in awhile. Decided to take a few pictures yesterday. Hoping my "Wild Tomato From Peru" (Place I bought it has no name except that for it, they don't know anything about it other than they received it from Peru, and that it matures later in season.) manages to get pollinated by habrochaites. Hoping to make some wilds mixed with each other. Have a little spot that I will be putting dropped tomatoes from currant types with pistils exposed, maybe a few other currants that will have self pollinating trait selected out. All of the photo I posted are from the same space. Habrochaites and my "Wild Tomato from Peru" ( Just going to call it WTFP to shorten it) are basically touching. WTFP has a good bit of flowers, but seems to have small stems that sprawl out in all directions, for the most part isn't shooting upwards. Small flower / leaves as well. Also no roots on any of WTFP's stem, rubbed fingers on branches - hardly any "hairs" as well. Seems odd for a Pimpinellifolium. Granted it is a unlisted accession and Peru has a wide selection of Pimpinellifoliums that are unknown or only exist in Peru or to researchers. Other tomatoes nearby are: Everglades tomato, Silvery Fir Tomato. Everglades will most likely pollinate WTFP. WTFP has an odd growth style for me, it does creep out from weeds so it isn't being shaded out. But the plant seems impossible to stake or cage, when I had it under lights it grew up straight. Eventually outside it stopped going upwards and started having growth in all directions. Technically more stems and flowers than the everglades, but the stems are much smaller - not thick at all, loaded with flowers as well. Volunteers from it should be fun to play around with. I do plan on messing around with it's growth style though. Wonder if these traits would be more compatible with wilds...
Anyway a bit cluttered there, I will post my squash and things eventually as well. I didn't weed the area the wild tomatoes are in too much, up until recently. Wanted to see how they did with weeds. They all did fine with weeds. Except for Wild Galapagos scented type tomato and Solanum Peruvianum. Both grew a bit too slow.
Garden is about done now. Still harvesting, but probably no new tomatoes, peppers etc. Took a photo of a few pimpinellifolium and habrochaites fruits a few days ago. Also took off a bract from the pimpinellifolium, the ones currently on the plant are quite long, the fruits get smaller as it grows - also seems to put off more shoots or stems from the flowering stems creating more flowering stems. Domestics don't seem to do this. Could probably get some fun crosses with this. Planted the exerted pimpinellifolium between two habrochaites, might get some crosses. Currently have a good bit of seeds from the pimpinellifolium germinating as I am testing for any crosses. If I notice any I will grow it inside and hand pollinate it with another seedling or one of the parents. Not expecting too much, but an F2 would be nice. The pimpinellifolium could benefit from somewhat larger flowers and fruit. Can't even really cut up or use them currently.
Few images of a volunteer growing in weedy area of garden. Corn was too wet and didn't come up in this corner. Sort of just let it go for some reason... Not sure what species these are, tossed a bunch of seeds collected from pods last year, already collected enough for replanting - they came up months ago. Grew arugula, radishes, komatsuna, tatsoi, turnips last year, allowed winter cress to grow in the area as well for flowers and greens. Garlic mustard was present but I removed it before it went to seed and used the greens chopped up on fish.
Edit: Seems to be black spanish radish - leaves aren't too rough though - granted its flowering. The flower buds are unusually "spiky". I found another flowering radish nearby with white flowers and smooth buds. Maybe different varieties.
Figured since the garden is about done I would post some fruits near the garden area. And a plant that I am probably still keeping in for a little bit longer - just to see how long it will flower and grow. Some sort of physalis species. Grew Aunt Molly's ground cherry last year - this isn't it, wild type it was in this spot last year but I didn't really pay much attention to it. Maybe some sort of escaped tomatillo from somewhere? Don't really have many neighbors, the neighbors I do have don't seem to have gardens, one does but I can't imagine them growing ground cherry sized tomatillos. Fruit I picked up is still somewhat green but appears to be turning purple, sticky as well. Stems are pretty hairy too. Might as well save seed since I am planning on growing a few different species of physalis next year. Trying to find a good tasting type/species, too bad they don't really cross with each other (physalis heterophylla and physalis virginiana can apparently cross according to some reports). Habrochaites is putting on some buds again, flowers could attract bees again and hopefully some developing fruits could get hit by a frost at around a month, if they get that far - might effect the growth of seeds next year? I have a good bit of seedlings right now from earlier fruits, I might post some of them if I notice crosses or just any odd leaf types, which I have noticed some odd ridges that the pimpinellifolium I grew doesn't have, or ridges that are too far into the leaf. Foliage on the type I grew wasn't all that uniform, finding any actual crosses might be a bit annoying. Would rather not have a large amount of "off type" seedlings in pots everywhere looking for flowers/fruits...
Garden is still somewhat alive... Saw a bee visiting peruvianum and habrochaites flowers. It didn't bother with the small pimpinellifolium flowers though. Assuming that habrochaites is somewhat sensitive to daylight considering the flowers are now larger and way more flowers than there were previously. Also posting somes leaves. Also posting a single seedling from a bunch that I put in a pot. All of these seedlings are offspring from the pimpinellifolium, but they are already obviously crosses / look off type. And they smell sort of bad - have pretty long hairs on the stem. Some leaves are sort of "glossy". The pimpinellifolium had almost no hairs on the stems and leaves. Could have crossed with domestics that were farther away.
I have some habrochaites x pimpinellifolium seedlings growing inside now. No flowers yet, maybe in a few hopefully.
Garden is pretty much done. Habrochaites leaves were all black amd drooping / soggy this morning, I pulled the plants and took off semi-ripe fruit that came from larger fall flowers on the plants. The fruits are rather soggy due to the frost / cold. Pimpinellifolium is just dead, the habrochaites actually had new growth at the base.
Also harvested some unripe runner beans and some off type succotash beans that are supposed to be half runners. Some of them were half runners - normal type. Some grew up the metal pole alongside the runner beans, had markings on the pods and took longer to ripen - they are supposed to be dry beans. I grew the succotash beans last year among other beans, so they could have crossed I suppose. Waiting for the off type beans need to dry before I say anything for certain. But I probably won't see too much bean variation if its an F1. I tried Marvel Of Venice and Slippery Silks beans in the same spot. Planted these beans to try and get an ornamental / edible type of spot. No flowers matched, and no yellow or red pods. So those probably rotted. I grew these beans in a rocky area with a bit of soil on the top for germination. Yield wasn't a big goal. Good bit of flowers, most fell off even though bees were visiting them.
Grew Moldovanesti Buffalo runner beans this year as well. Also grew some runner beans originally from Migardener. Believe this is my third year growing them and saving seed. Unsure if they are still selling the same type as it was unnamed, purple and black colored. This type has some off-type beans this year. Could be due to harvesting them unripe. First year growing two different types of runner beans, so probably not a cross. Showing the off type succotash beans, runner beans. Pink beans could just be a lack of developed colors due to the stage I had to pull them at.
Don't really have an area inside to hand beans upside down and let them ripen indoors. Not enough pods to warrant attempting that either. Cold weather tends to damage beans that are full of water / unripe. Some still may be viable.
Some pimpinellifolium crosses. First two images are of plants I started inside. Third image is of off type plant showing same stems as the pimpinellifolium. The others are ones I brought indoors a good time ago. Threw pimpinellifolium and habrochaites fruit in a rocky area to see if they came up / did well next year. Some came up in a small group looking off type, so I brought them inside screened off from indoor plants - watched for any signs of blight. Some may be habrochaites x pimpinellifolium.
Bees could have went to other garden and brought pollen back so there could be domestic crosses as well. Plant in first image is putting of multiple stems / branches now. Looks like small buds are forming, will post flowers and such when that happens.
This is from plant in the first image from the last post. Two new points of growth. One has buds in the middle of it - still rather small at the moment. This one is definitely going to be "interesting" to grow indoors. Also posting an exposed root from a identical looking plant, which might be removed soon or once it fruits / flowers. Roots appear larger compared to domestics.
The larger roots are probably a trait from habrochaites. Roots went fairly deep underground on the habrochaites. I didn't water the habrochaites after first few weeks of planting. Assuming they are fairly drought tolerant.
I am watering these plants about 3 - 4 days a week. No signs of stress so far. I will start watering them more though due to buds starting to form.
Also adding beans from other post. Some of them aren't doing too well due to being harvested young. Runner beans in middle are off-color, might just be due to harvesting early.
Largest tomato cross so far. It fell over a couple of days ago, had to stake it - posting some images of top canopy and main stem. Will need to trim upper growth due to this. The stems are rather firm, was careful not to snap it - also the stems don't feel completely "round" like the pimpinellifolium or domestic. More leaves per stem than the pimpinellifolium or standard domestic types - stems are longer as well. The stem's width are staying small like the pimp and habrochaites, which could mean that this is a cross between the two. Won't be able to tell entirely until fruits form.
Some of the flower buds are starting to become fully developed on the plant. The buds and bract themselves seem to be quite small though. This would probably mean that they will make the same size of fruits as the pimp. I will post a close up of one of the buds, thumb visible as a scale.
I will post the fruits and flowers when they get to those stages. If the flowers end up being exerted due to fruit/flower size combined with habrochaites extended stigmas I may post them in the "Promiscuous auto-hybridizing tomatoes" thread instead. The pimp was slightly exerted to begin with, but this could be due to the small flower size.
I am also growing a few chilense, hairy habrochaites, peruvianum seedlings right now. One of the chilense is on the 4th set of leaves and is a decent size. Which is quite nice considering this is my first attempt at growing the species. The 2nd chilense I am growing has about the same number of leaves, but the plant is much smaller and the leaves are a bit more curled. I am keeping all of my plants under 12 hours of light to help with flowering with the crosses and such - seems to work well for short day and long day plants I experimented with in the past. I can probably adjust the times back an hour forward or backwards with almost no issues as well.
Also posting some leaves from other off type plants.
Fruits are starting to develop, seems to have hairs? The pimpinellifolium had no noticeable hairs on the fruit. The hairs on habrochaites can probably help with deterring fruit flies in places like Australia where they can spoil fruit. Fruit flies aren't a problem in my climate.
Flowers seem fairly close together at the ends, and larger than pimpinellifolium - probably habrochaites traits.
Hopefully seeds will be small, might help with embryo size in further crosses. Will update when fruits are a larger size or become ripe.
Two different generic runner beans seedlings. One of the parents was "off type" in its growth style.
As such I planted out a seed from the plant indoors. I also planted an older saved seed as a comparison.
The first leaves of the off type offspring has large leaves and grew up rather high from the base - cotyledon was ground level. The normal type stayed more towards the ground - also ground level cotyledon. The leaves seem a bit different as well - stems are different in color as well, with the off-type having red vines.
I marked the normal type in red, boxed in the leaves to differentiate between the off type plant.
I also neglected watering these for awhile so they are a bit sad looking. Oh yeah and they were under a grow light and got scorched after going into the bulb so I moved them.
Plants collected outside have hairy leaves, so probably a cross as well.
Posting some images of the outdoor plant's stems along with a few other things. The outdoor plants are showing habrochaites branching habits. Multi branching main stems / new stems.
Outdoor plants have larger leaves as well.
Second image is an example of the "multi-branching" I mentioned. Would probably do better if it were sprawling outside, but I am trying to get F2 seed. Just now getting flower buds on this plant. Heavily pruning suckers, unsure if they branch off in the v shape as well, or if only the main branch does this.
Outdoor plants are leggy, so the V shape probably would have been further down the plant if I had given it proper lighting to start with. Other cross is doing this to a lesser extent, this plant seems more vigorous.
Was looking through my posts and realized I don't have updated images of my indoor cross's fruit on here.
First fruit image is the first one that started developing on 11-29 after the flower dropped. Other fruit image is smaller fruit with hairs more visible.
Inside of a possibly ripe cross. Seems to be turning white rather than yellow. In between habrochaites fruit size and the pimpinellifolium size. The hairs rubbed off easily, some came off before it was fully ripe. One fruit I tasted from the plant had no taste - this one was a bit sour.
Seeds from the cross finished drying this morning. Figured I would do a side by side comparison with the parents.
Top is the parents - pimpinellifolium and habrochaites, bottom is the child.
Seed from the F1 seems a bit of a brownish color I suppose, not quite like habrochaites. Seed size is slightly smaller than the pimpinellifolium, but not much of a difference.
Only put a few seeds from each out for display, they are annoying to put back into the air tight containers I have them in.
Top seeds look a bit odd because I actually fermented both parents together, probably bits of paper stuck as well.
Another fruit ripened - sort of orange as before. I picked the other ones when they turned sort of "squishy" before. Seems they go from that stage to orange within a matter of days. So my seed should still be viable from those harvests.
Small hairs are somewhat visible I suppose - habrochaites hairs were nicer / more noticeable. The fruit will probably just fall off if I leave it on too long. The fruit that I harvested today fell into my hands when I went to touch it. Suppose both parents had that trait.
The habrochaites I grew seemed to ripen to a white color, maybe a bit of green towards the top even after sitting on the ground for awhile. The pimp was red. Using this mostly to try and gather a favorable disease resistant - early - wild root systems etc into a single base. I can then move to a larger domestic type. Hopefully this works out well enough. Both parents had some exerted flowers, small seed - which will be nice when trying to obtain other crosses.
Well snow is gone for now, I went outside to check to see what overwintered. I killed things that didn't look interesting / didn't want to overwinter. Also looks like a rabbit killed / possibly killed something that looked interesting.
Brought the bulb/storage root inside. Since its winter, most of the energy and focus should be in the storage tuber, but I brought it inside for some extra care. Unsure if its a turnip or a radish. The only radishes that I ever really plant are black spanish - sometimes white icicle. Suppose there is a chance its a cross of the two. But I wouldn't think that the offspring would be white with a green tint.
I'm posting two image of its eaten brother as well - took this image in late fall. Found its leaves and no bulb, unless it rotted recently? The leaves resembled a turnips. Also has the same white / greenish root. I didn't plant any turnips green - or white. Possibility of an interspecific brassica I suppose, especially considering the huge amount of leaves and small
Also possible that these are two different crosses...
Throwing in an image of some seeds that I'm planting in the same pot as the turnip(?). They are some seeds of habro x pimp that just finished drying. I already have a bunch of seed for it, still a few weeks before I start my main tomatoes. Figured I might as well get a sneak peak on possible leaf patterns with this being the F2.
Started some long season wilds with my peppers already. No sprouts on those yet, except for a few peruvianum/corneliomuelleri types which probably could have been planted later.
Some more older pictures from the fall. Unsure if these will come back.
Putting in my favored flowers here. The plants showing up in the area that I posted before this are descended from these fellows which I found had reseeded in the garden - these guys flowered in the spring / fall. I'm trying to make a few selections of beautiful-large flowered, unique leaved brassicas. Hybrids are welcome as well, I am expecting them considering I'm not separating anything and this is more for looks than anything else.
First image: All-pink, dark purple streaks towards center. Again odd for a radish flower. Usually they have a bit of white towards the center, not a full purple. Streaks are odd as well. Also bees pollinated the flowers, but many of them fell off... Possibility of a hybrid, but not getting my hopes up. I lost the seed that I managed to get off it - it didn't germinate.
Second image: Another plant that was nearby. Flower seems to be a purple instead of a pink. Same story of flower drop off. Also had a large bulb - black spanish! Maybe this is a regular coloration for the variety? Either way its something that I want to breed into other types.
Third image: White flowers with hints of pink! Smooth buds. The purple portions make me say its a radish?
This is a side project, I am assuming that my surviving plants will flower in the spring like they did last year.
Arugula, radishes, komatsuna, tatsoi, turnips are the possible parents of the flowers I had last year ( No photos of all those flowers sadly, only radish ).
But this year I will be growing even more Brassicaceae!
Purple Stemmed Arugula Eruca vesicaria Sinapis alba
Variegated Wintercress Barbarea vulgaris Rattail Radish(Long purple pods!) - other radishes as well.
Brassica - mostly just putting species to shorten the list, will mention them after planting, notable plants will have special mention:
Some notable Brassica varieties - what I want from them for the Beautiful Brassicaceae project - or whatever I am planning on calling it.
Willem's Blauwe Groninger Kale - Appears to be a perennial, nice leaves, images showed purple flowering stems as well.
Bear Necessities Kale - Interesting leaves, apparently cold hardy / perennialish. Seems to be a napus x rapa which fares well for disease resistance and crossing to other things. Unsure of how the flowers look though.
Purple Peacock Broccoli - Very nice looking! Seems to be a oleracea x napus - again more flower variation and potential of crossing with other brassicas for nicer flowers.
Another goal of this would to have plants from a separate genus to hybridize - which I could turn into a sub-project. Quite a low chance of any hybrids like that though.
Of course I will search for things like black rot, immediately kill anything bad. Heat treating all of these guys.
The bulb has a chance of surviving. Noticed two small green sprouts on it.
I put hydrogen peroxide on the softer, somewhat rotting layer - it was quite soft. Unsure if it helped at all, but I was unsure of how long the bulb was left exposed and open to the elements. Went from freezing to 40F+ within a day, wasn't sure if another freeze would just take it out being already damaged. Started snowing today, so I am glad that I did this.
Image of the radish - but with leaves. Looks odd, unsure of what crossed with it at this point. Hopefully it doesn't try going to seed indoors...
Second image is a small grow out of Joseph's Peruvianum. I culled the common leaf types in this group, only the odd types survived - just to ensure these have diversity. I will do a wider mix in a pot soon, few more in cells too. Should get white / purple fruits from most of these.
Third image is J&L Gardens Corneliomulleri / Peruvianum strain. Small grow out for this one as well, will do larger grow out in a pot, or do a few more cells. Fruits will probably be small / green on this one, but diversity is nice.
Growing a white fruited Peruvianum, two other types as well.
Also growing out my Pimp x Habrochaites F2, along with Reisetomate x Habrochaites F2. Should be interesting.
I have some of Joseph's promiscuous lines in a pot, will do another one eventually. Next year I should have enough to seed an entire tray with clumps.
Also have some Jaltomata herrerae along with Lycium exsertum, Lycium ruthenicum. Solanum abutiloides sprouted as well.
My Arcanum and most of the Chilense seem to have died off. Probably due to the cold temperature. Some habrochaites and peruvianum seedlings had red veins / underside of leaves when this was happening. Disappointing, next time I will start them separately in a warmer room.
First image has some Kangaroo apples. Solanum aviculare is on the left Solanum lanceolatum is on the right. There is a hybrid of these online somewhere. I'm just growing these as oddities / ornamentals.
Second image has some Jaltomata species: Jaltomata herrerae is on the top, Unsure of the bottom one - got it as free "jaltomata" seed. Jaltomata procumbens is the most common type that I have seen sold online, so highly probable that is what I received.
Third image has some Lycium species. Top right is Lycium exsertum, Bottom right is Lycium ruthenicum, Bottom left is Lycium barbarum.
A single Capsicum flexuosum seedling germinated recently as well. Cap 1141 germinated pretty quickly, growing nicely. It was too cold for most of my peppers to germinate, past years were warm enough that I didn't need a heat mat. Murasaki, Chinese Five Color, Bleeding Borg 9 - the only other peppers that germinated so far. Planted them on February 22nd. Even if the others don't germinate, I will still keep them as they might germinate later on. If nothing else I get more seed.
Tubocapsicum anomalum is also starting to germinate.
Solanum abutiloides has a single sprout so far.
Litchi tomato just has its first sprout two days ago.
Most of the plants listed here are just oddities - can probably use some of them for breeding projects.
Lycium species won't do much in terms of production for a few years.
Capsicum flexuosum and Cap 1141 will probably be used for breeding different flowers and tolerances to things like Bleeding Borg 9, Murasaki.
Litchi tomato could be fun to attempt hybrids with tomatoes, but I would need a small lab setup at the very least.
I will post tomato seedlings here in a few weeks, maybe earlier since I started some of them early.
Went out and dug up some wild alliums. Unsure of what species I got. Just dug out pieces of clumps. The ones that I dug up usually get mowed over, so they never flower.
One of them wasn't with the bunching groups - has larger bulb, more grass-like. I didn't smell it, the other ones already made my hands and everything else smell like onion-garlic.
I moved them to an area where I am letting some native plants grow, along with some chives / garlic chives that I recently moved outside.
Fun image of nettles near the garden as well. The ornamental types and the natural types are competing all throughout the yard. Unsure of which type arrived here first - I think it was the ornamental type.
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