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Seeding the wild/weedy things in a field they cut for hay...  Southern MO, zone 6a/b. No warranty all the flowers are wild, some may be garden escapees.

I took these, stiff plant, about 2.5 feet tall, bloomed early, so May or so, was bare seeds when I found it. The growth habit looks familiar, but I can't place it.

ID'd as Spiderwort



These are tentatively ID'd as Grey-headed coneflowers, but look at the weirdness on some of them!


ID'd as parastic inscect, not part of the seed


They look like the heads of garlic that makes the little bulbs, or wild onion. Not all of them look that way. Are they supposed to? Are they making little bulbs? If so, most of them aren't ripe yet...
 
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This one's a grass I think, One long stalk per plant, this head on them.

 
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the first one looks like a wild onion of some sort. did it have seeds or little bulbils?

the second, maybe a rush? they have different seed heads than true grasses.
 
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greg mosser wrote:the first one looks like a wild onion of some sort. did it have seeds or little bulbils?


Definitely not onion looking. Those I know. Seeds...
The way the flowers/seeds are there, and the weird snaky horns come off above them and keep going up looks familiar to me, but I can't place it.

the second, maybe a rush? they have different seed heads than true grasses.


Hmm. The pics I see show them in water. This is a hay field, no standing water.
And there are a lot of pics, hard to differentiate them... I didn't see a base of grassy stuff, a few strands of grass, but that's all.  But I did not see them till they were seeding.
 
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And a couple more...  Sorry. I had a hard time keeping track of pictures today!

distinctive leaves, 7 segments
ID'd as Sulfur cinquefoil Potentilla recta


And a stiff little bunch of seed pods
Id'd as Beardtongue (penstemon)

 
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I'm guessing these are milkweeds of some sort. If so, are they about to bloom or is that seeds?

ID'd as Tall Green Milkweed


 
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Sulfur cinquefoil Potentilla recta
 
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First one looks like dayflower seed heads. Do you remember seeing some blue flowers earlier, growing in moist area?

The seed heads on tall stalk could be some kind of rush.
 
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Should be spiderwort not dayflower, sorry.
I found parasitic insect galls common in the pale purple coneflowers too. You have some pretty yellow flowers there.
 
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May Lotitio: THANK YOU!
I looked up cinquefoil in my book, but none were the right type, so I figured I was wrong about my ID.

And spiderwort, THAT'S what I was trying to remember! Knew I had seen that growth habit before. The picture in my book is a close up of the flowers, doesn't show the growth habit.
Cool, I'll label those seeds...
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Why the wacky seed development?
Because they're somewhat mutated; or aliens; or Life is interesting and strange? I mean, yeah. Parasitic bugs and mold and bacteria do wacky things.
Go with whatever is your favorite explanation.

I have talked to botanists about similar situations. Actually, it was a stem and leaf mutation in a single branch in one of many planted popular shrubs in my mother's subdivision.  The residents were either thinking it was amazing and cool or actually sprinkling it with holy water and praying over it.
Texas. We have Science, and we have Religion and when the two meet, it gets weird.

I was told "We don't know why, we just know that it happens." Which, thinking about it, is kind of the thing for all of the "Natural Sciences".  
We don't know why (x), we just know that (xy).
 
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Those look like milkweed blooms to me. I have one in my front yard, as long as the neighbor doesn't mow it again.
 
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Pearl Sutton wrote:And a couple more...  Sorry. I had a hard time keeping track of pictures today!


And a stiff little bunch of seed pods



This one might be a beardtongue (penstemon)- I'm in central Missouri, we have a couple beardtongue species which look like this.

Other posts look like correct IDs- first photo is definitely a spiderwort, maybe Ohio spiderwort, I have it growing all over my place.  Those are milkweed blooms, maybe Tall Green Milkweed (Asclepias hirtella).  They should be getting ready to bloom in the next month or so.
 
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Tom Worley: Thank you! Looked up the Beardstounge, yup, I think you are correct.
And the milkweed is probably correct too, other option i have heard elsewhere is prairie milkweed, I'll watch to see what color it blooms.The tall Green  has the flowers on the stem, so I think you are correct.
Cool! Thank you!!  Labeling them...

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One of the main reasons I was out in that field snooping around the seeds is it's full of bee balm (wild bergamot)! I love those, want more, have scissors, collecting bags and a field  :D  
Those I know what they are though :D
 
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Hmm, MDC website label tall green and prairie milkweed as the same, while prairie moon nursery prairie milkweed is Asclepias sullivantii. Maybe MDC is wrong about it.

I have purple milkweed and whorled milkweed on my property. Maybe we can swap seeds later.
 
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