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do you suppose the areas that have a lot of pollution rob the rain from the areas that have clean air??

it seems the cities to the south of us get all the rain and it always goes around us..we have had rain in the forcast for 5 days..and they are getting floods south of us..but we haven't gotten nary a drop.
 
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I think it is mostly luck.
 
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Are you connecting the pollution to that sort of rain-seed stuff?  Where rain cannot forum unless it has a particle in the air to cling to? 

 
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dont' know..just curious..as the more polluted areas south of us get an awful lot of rain..7" in one day..flooding..etc..we don't get a drop..they forcast it..but it all goes south of us..we were supposed to have rain 5 days last week..got a little one day.

 
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there might be something to it!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000314065455.htm

but, it also seems that the more vegetation the more rainfall...so that would seem the opposite.

http://www.unep.org/dewa/Africa/publications/aeo-1/127.htm

my own personal possible hypothesis is that cities are a huge heat sink. I imagine the air is much hotter over them. so rainfall could theoretically be influenced by that since the condensation rates are affected by the temperature difference between cool and warm air. (thinking of the condensation on a glass of iced tea on a hot moist day)

there are so many factors that could affect climate and weather. thats part of the reason I am totally skeptical of large predictions in future weather. they can't even predict the weather a week from now or a year from now! they can't predict hurricane seasons or general predictions for the future year. (though that doesn't stop them from trying)
 
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well we really need rain..maybe I need to barbeque more !
 
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I've heard from at least two different sources that more trees leads to more rain ....  probably doesn't help you now, but ....
 
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i doubt if there are too many people in our county that have more trees or more variety of trees than I do..i LOVE trees and plant at least 3 or 4 dozen every year..with all of the clear cutting the state does..that might be true for the general area though..they clear cut most of the forests around here over the past 20 years..they did plant babies..but they are just that..babies.

we have gotten rain this week..thank God
 
              
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you should make a post on here and list all the different trees you have.  I've been hoping to do that, but never get around to it I guess
 
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HMMMM I don't know if i can THINK that well..lets see..Canadian Hemlock, Cedar, white spruce, black, black hills, alberta, blue spruce...lots of spruce, red and white and austrian and black pine oh yeah and scotch and probbably others, fir ,juniper, chameocyparis, tamarisk, oh gosh I know there are more varieties of evergreens as they are my favorites. Then there are oaks, aspen (several varieties) cherries wild, sour and sweet and Canadian, Peaches by the gobs, dozens of apples, plum nectarine, apricot, pears, etc. Every fruit tree i can get my hands on basically, including wild plums, paw paw, mulberry, elderberry, winterberry (oh we are digressing into shrubs which I also collect by the hundreds and hundreds).. back to trees. Hazel, beech, 3 kinds of walnuts, chestnuts, hickory, almond, pecan, think that is all of the nut trees. Red maple, sugar maple, paperbak maple, amur maple, ?? probably more, tulip, oxydendron, white and green ash, alder, willow several kinds, lilac (bush or tree?), elm, privit (bush or tree?), oh just remembered crimson king maple, good grief..i never wrote them all down so this is just right now off the top of my head..i'm sure i'm skipping lots of varieties

I actually have grown a LOT of them from seeds ..esp oaks from acorns, and right now i'm picking up baby paper bark maples all over my  yard and I've probably transplanted 2 or 3 dozen of them this week into more protected areas (away from lawnmowers) we also have dug up baby ash and given the neighbors probably 100 of them this spring..so we are spreading the wealth.

There is a swamp in state land that the black spruce grow right in the water, and the seed sprout in the soft mucky water and we pull them up and bring them here..only the ones that are so thick or badly spaced that they won't survive..and we have brought in probably a hundred of them..they are so beautiful..they grow up straight and tall and fast..just like a christmas tree..see photo..these wer about 2 ' tall when we brought them in.

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You can also see I love shurbs..which I didn't list above..esp love the redleaf barberries!

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these were some of our first baby trees we put in about 38 years ago.

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my favorite baby oak, planted from a sprouted acorn in the 1970's...this also includes
some of the trees I planted to screen our house from the road back then.

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one side of driveway

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other side of driveway

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adult ash tree that spreads the wealth around..thousands of baby trees every year to allow to grow or give away !

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approx 5 acres of wild forest

We also have about an acres of fruit trees, an acre of nut trees and berry bushes and all the property lines are planted with a mix of evergreens and deciduous trees and shrubs.
 
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thats alot of trees brenda! I would have a blast just walking around and checking them all out occasionally.
 
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Leah, it makes the area very peaceful..you don't see or hear traffic from the road unless it is really loud, we live on a truck route with 3 or 4 trucking companies..we first planted the trees out front to keep dust down..but about 4 years ago they paved our road so that isn't necessary any longer.the dust would roll up and back over our property about 400' North if the wind was in the right direction and choke you if you were outside.

the first pictures were where i planted out by the road..every tree i could get my hands on..my FIL had alzheiemrs and would take his riding lawn mower and mow them down..so i put up the lattice fence to keep him out and kept on trying...I have a plant fettish I guess..I can't resist a plant..and I figured when I started out we had 10 acres (now between Joel and us) that I could put trees and plants into.

so...plant i did..now my plants are planting.

 
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I live in the San Francisco Bay area.  We get a lot more rain than the more-polluted Los Angeles area to the South.  The San Joaquin Valley, which has some of the worst air quality in the US (yes, worse than LA) and lies to the East, is also very dry.

There might be a link, though, in your case: People may have chosen to settle where there was more rain, and then polluted the place.
 
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Poly, i hadn't thought of that..people settling where there was more rain..that makes sense as those areas were highly settled during the dustbowl days of the prairies..so you night be right there..people moving to areas that got a lot of rain.

we tend to have a drought in mid summer every year..around July..sometimes a bit early and in June and sometimes it is late and lasts through August..but generally it is in July.

we get our fair share of snow..which resupplies the water table well every year..we have had an occasional dry winter where we really suffered in the summertime.

but i do love our pure air and pure water here..and wouldn't move cause of a little drought
 
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