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widespread adoption of Rocket Stove heater (pellets but no mass)

 
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I've been thinking, based on discussion in the thread on spreading the word on Rocket Mass heaters, that widespread adoption of rocket heaters requires a different design.  I'd like to lay out my hypothesis and hope people will critique it.

1.  The majority (likely 95+%) of the population would never build or install a RMH.  They are scared of building a stove, of carbon monoxide, of the mass, of doing something like that in their house/trailer/apartment, etc.  There are struggles with insurance and codes.  and there is not enough skilled labor to hire it out.  Many people have commented on this.  It is just a fact, advertising or education won't fix this.

2.  Widespread adoptions of sustainable wood heating requires something that is:
a.  Off the shelf
b. standardized (UL listed, and meets code)
c.  Easy to install in a wide range of dwellings with minimal modifications
d.  Affordable  
e.  maximize percent of usable heat in the dwelling for a given fuel input
f.  Very clean burn to not have localized air quality issues.


3.   The traditional woods stove achieves a, b, and c.  but struggles with d, e, and f.  You either burn fast, which produces more BTUs than needed for a brief period and pumps lots of heat and pollution  out the chimney.  Or you damper it down which creates condensation of creosote in the chimney and eventual chimney fires.  One solution to minimize condensation and or risk to the dwelling from overheating the chimney is triple layer insulated chimney which is very expensive.    

4.  The Traditional RMH design achieves e and f by introducing a high temperature burn riser which burns nearly all the fuel.   This allows the chimney to be cooler without a creosote problem, which then allows depositing a greater fraction of the heat inside the house, and also gives less pollution in the output.  

5.  However the RMH achieves this high temperature burn by running fast and hot (wide open) on stick or cord wood creating a high BTU output for a short period.  This requires an efficient way to store that heat energy for use over an extended period, which is solved by a custom thermal mass and custom install.  If you are a homesteader RMH pioneer a, b, and c are less a factor and you achieve d (affordability) by doing it yourself.  But for the average population, that needs to hire it out, requiring the thermal mass pushes things into a custom space where factors a, b, c, and d preclude widespread adoption.      

6.   If you can achieve the wide open hot burn but yet have a long burn at a lower BTU output then the large thermal mass is not needed.  I think the candidate design for a achieving this in an off the shelf system is a pellet rocket heater, with the insulated riser to achieve the high temp and clean burn, a small burn chamber and riser and a low pellet feed rate to give a low BTU output, and a design to extract most of the heat before going up the exhaust pipe so it can be both small and cool (cheap).  

has anyone tried this?  If they have I haven't been able to find it.  

The liberator has a pellet adaptor, but it is sized for a higher BTU output and nominally still needs a thermal mass.  The Wiseways is designed for a use without the thermal mass, but it doesn't have an insulated heat riser to give the "rocket" with a hot efficient burn so you send more heat/pollution up the exhaust pipe.  

I'm thinking the right design can be similar to the wood stove in price <$1000, but much cheaper on the chimney cost.  

For people in rural areas it is better having something that takes sticks and cord wood, but for urban dwellers, the logistics will favor getting pellet fuel through local stores.  

 
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Hi Sam;
Great post with good thoughts.
You have described the biggest issues with getting RMHs into every home that needs one.
I do have a problem with one of your statements
(  If you can achieve the wide open hot burn but yet have a long burn at a lower BTU output then the large thermal mass is not needed.)

I'm afraid that statement conflicts with itself.
A wide-open hot burn but somehow it burns longer and ?? at a lower BTU...
Not happening, my friend. That sounds like trying to create a perpetual motion machine... and that's not happening either!

For city folks that want to step away from other forms of heating that do not require electricity, but are afraid to attempt building an RMH.
The Liberator is the closest thing they will find. It is UL listed as safe to install in any home and can use pellets as well as wood. No electricity is needed.
A mass can be attached to the liberator, by an adventurous city dweller.  It only accepts 12' of horizontal mass so not very big by RMH standards (An 8" J tube pushes 50' horizontal) but any mass will help.
Liberators with the pellet hopper are not cheap, but they are quality USA-made and have passed all the testing to be installed in insured homes.
They are the next best choice if building an RMH is not within their capabilities.
 
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"I'm afraid that statement conflicts with itself.
A wide-open hot burn but somehow it burns longer and ?? at a lower BTU...
Not happening, my friend. "

"Wide-open" is a stoichiometric burn, it just means having enough O2 to burn all the fuel and it's gases in the burn chamber and riser;  "Hot" is achieved with an insulated (or heat reflective) riser with an effective thermal mass and burn volume that is small relative to the BTUs generated thereby achieving a high temperature.  A long burn is achieved by doing the first two with it sized for a trickle of pellets that contains the BTU rate of interest.  a pound of pellets is rough 8,000 BTUs, so maybe you burn 1.5 lbs per hour.  

edit:  So a 40lb bag put in the hopper will burn for 24hrs straight.

Can you do that and still make it "rocket"?  maybe?

At least that is what I'm thinking
 
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What you are talking about is a small or very small, depending on the climate, rocket core. This will be able to run as hot as the size will allow, continuously, but would not be able to be fired longer in a day to cope with colder winter nights. It is not amenable to thermostatic control as a commercial pellet stove is. You would really need a second unit to be run as well in especially cold weather.
 
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Yes, that is what I'm talking about.  A size where in colder nights it might just be a one room heater that keeps people from freezing to death when they can't afford electric heat, but is at a price to purchase and install that is affordable enough for those same people that can't afford electric/gas heat.  

Affordable install requires a clean burn so there is no creosote, which allows a cool chimney which avoids the very expensive double or triple walled flue pipes.  Perhaps a 3" single walled pipe can be made to work.  

This would make a stove average working class people can afford to buy, install and use in small urban dwellings.  
 
All that thinking. Doesn't it hurt? What do you think about this tiny ad?
A rocket mass heater is the most sustainable way to heat a conventional home
http://woodheat.net
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