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Hello, I purchased 10 acres in the Ouachita Mtns of Oklahoma.  The property has a small cabin but has yet to come up with a water solution.  I am wanting a water catchment system to fill this need.  I have reached out to a local business but they are only interesting in selling a large metal cistern and want nothing to do with sourcing the other materials I will need.  I have a couple questions for the members of the community?

Is anyone aware of someone I could hire in E. Oklahoma to help me with this, I'm a senior and not sure where my capabilities lie in this endeavor.  I plan on using a 30 x 50 foot 14 foot tall polebarn with a metal roof to catch the rain.  

Does the idea of a single cistern make sense, I was thinking of putting in 3 1500 gallon tanks that are linked together inside the pole barn.  From there I would have pipe leading to two garden and animal areas.  The third line would be a line going to the cabin, I would prefer to place the tank/s and any filters needed for the house in the pole barn.

This area of Oklahoma gets typically 40 inches of rain a year so that equates to 37,000 gallons a year.

Thank you for anything you can provide!
 
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one tank is better and less cost. it uses less fittings and less maintenance. having it in the shed may prevent it freezing. look at my signature it has more info
 
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Some informational links to consider:

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/design-of-rainwater-harvesting-systems-in-oklahoma.html

https://jwrainwatercollection.com/s/ok/rainwater-collection-installers
 
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John C Daley wrote:one tank is better and less cost. it uses less fitti gs and less maintenance. having it in the shedmay prevent it freezing. look at my signature it has more info



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Kyle Hayward wrote:Some informational links to consider:

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/design-of-rainwater-harvesting-systems-in-oklahoma.html

https://jwrainwatercollection.com/s/ok/rainwater-collection-installers



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Kyle Hayward wrote:Some informational links to consider:

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/design-of-rainwater-harvesting-systems-in-oklahoma.html

https://jwrainwatercollection.com/s/ok/rainwater-collection-installers



Unfortunately this is one of those sites that has a page for every state and every city above a certain population.  They don't work in OK.
 
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Cameron Green wrote:

Kyle Hayward wrote:Some informational links to consider:

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/design-of-rainwater-harvesting-systems-in-oklahoma.html

https://jwrainwatercollection.com/s/ok/rainwater-collection-installers



Unfortunately this is one of those sites that has a page for every state and every city above a certain population.  They don't work in OK.



Maybe reach out to this guy whom co-authored the article for OSU.

Jason Vogel
Assistant Professor, Stormwater Management
Biosystems and Agricultural Engineering
Director, Oklahoma Water Survey

Professor, School of Civil Engineering and Environmental Science

Carson Engineering Center (CEC) 304
jason.vogel@ou.edu

Telephone: (405) 325-2826

https://www.okepscor.org/dr-jason-vogel
 
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Hi Cameron! Interesting question!

Can you give us a rundown on the potential for extended freezing temperatures in your area? That changes everything.

 
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I have worked with a bloke who had a tank in the shed, we wrapped it in insulation- aircell style.
It was not very cold that year and we had problems with the outlet pipe until we put a heat blanket around it.
Next year he enclosed the walls of the shed to include just around the tank., which formed an enclosed workshop.
That helped a fair bit tank did not freeze and pipes ok.
A very cold weather was predicted so he added a wood heater to the workshop area which kept the temp. at about 3 degrees, it did not use a lot of wood and the tank did not freeze.
But he had a small workshop he could use.
 
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If the local company doesn't want to source the other material. Maybe you can just buy them yourself and they can install it for you.

It is also possible that they don't want to be legally responsible for giving you rainwater to drink that you will die from, so maybe ask them without that bit of info and then call a well company to "fix" your piping that going from the well house (the pole barn to your house).

Maybe you are asking them to do too much all at once and you have to breakout the project and ask different people to do it.

So now for a part list.

Catchment Roof + Gutter (Done)
1st Flush on Gutter (very similar to a regular garden rainwater setup)
Tank and Level Slab for Tank (very similar to a regular garden rainwater setup)
Jet-Pump + Pressure Tank + Filtration + Disinfectant(Very similar to a regualr well setup)
Burried/Insulated pipe to house (very similar to a regular well setup)






 
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Cameron Green wrote: I plan on using a 30 x 50 foot 14 foot tall polebarn with a metal roof to catch the rain.  

Does the idea of a single cistern make sense, I was thinking of putting in 3 1500 gallon tanks that are linked together inside the pole barn.  From there I would have pipe leading to two garden and animal areas.  The third line would be a line going to the cabin, I would prefer to place the tank/s and any filters needed for the house in the pole barn.



Congratulations on your purchase in the Ouachita Mtns of Oklahoma.  That is one of the prettiest areas of Oklahoma.

Your plan sounds good to me.

I would like to recommend the work of Brad Lancaster. This thread gives has links to his books and website.  There is also a YouTube video:

https://permies.com/wiki/brad-lancaster

Here is another one of his videos:

 
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Douglas Alpenstock wrote:Hi Cameron! Interesting question!

Can you give us a rundown on the potential for extended freezing temperatures in your area? That changes everything.



I assume you are referring to lows?  The property is in the lower elevation of the Ouachita Mountains so the average lows and highs will probably vary a bit, but this Oklahoma so nothing like the norther states.

Nov - high - 63 , Low - 40
Dec - high - 52 , Low - 32
Jan - high -  51, Low - 29
Feb - high -  58, Low - 33
 
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S Bengi wrote:If the local company doesn't want to source the other material. Maybe you can just buy them yourself and they can install it for you.

It is also possible that they don't want to be legally responsible for giving you rainwater to drink that you will die from, so maybe ask them without that bit of info and then call a well company to "fix" your piping that going from the well house (the pole barn to your house).

Maybe you are asking them to do too much all at once and you have to breakout the project and ask different people to do it.

So now for a part list.

Catchment Roof + Gutter (Done)
1st Flush on Gutter (very similar to a regular garden rainwater setup)
Tank and Level Slab for Tank (very similar to a regular garden rainwater setup)
Jet-Pump + Pressure Tank + Filtration + Disinfectant(Very similar to a regualr well setup)
Burried/Insulated pipe to house (very similar to a regular well setup)




I'm hoping to keep most of the equipment in the pole barn.  I do wonder if I need a pump and can't rely on natural water pressure to get it to the cabin.  The tank will hold at least 5000 pounds and be a few feet higher than the cabin.

 
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I use a 12v RV pressure pump, in similar circumstances.
 
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