~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
John Daley Bendigo, Australia The Enemy of progress is the hope of a perfect plan
Benefits of rainfall collection https://permies.com/t/88043/benefits-rainfall-collection
GOOD DEBT/ BAD DEBT https://permies.com/t/179218/mortgages-good-debt-bad-debt
John C Daley wrote:good luck with the idea.
Have you considered the mechanics of what you are doing so it works.
Do you all buy the land together and then subdivide it to a plan?
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
Logan Albright wrote:I live in southern Georgia and my wife and I spent months in southern Alabama and southern Georgia looking for either raw land or a low cost home with some acreage. Unless prices have dropped in the past 2 years, I don't think your prices are accurate (you can't trust online listings, especially for land; and southeast Georgia seemed the hardest to find land). When we saw anything that seemed like a good deal and we tried to view them they were always SUPPOSEDLY under contract, already sold, off market, etc. One time we put an offer on a derelict house with 5 acres; the seller's realtor told us to offer much less than the asking price because it wasn't worth the asking price and we could still get it; we decided to offer much closer to the asking price but got no response. I found the seller's phone number, called them and found out they were never showed the offer. Time and time again things like this happened. Most land (especially large tracts) seems to be owned by family empires which all know each other and it tends to stay in their hands; I imagine much of the pricing is artificial for tax purposes maybe. Any land that was within the price ranges you listed were swamp land that you'd need to buy large acreage to get such pricing. The closest we found was in central Georgia and was 18 acres for $90k (and I'm not sure it was completely real because we didn't put an offer in). Nearly every realtor we dealt with was corrupt; both here in the south and in California when we sold our house. In California they never had real showings for our house; the few showings they got for our house were from thieves that they hired. The realtor would ask me to show the people around because she wasn't available; they would ask me to show them around outside and they would act interested in plants (even though it was obvious they knew nothing) while another car (or someone in the back seat) would come out after and go into the house. Many realtor offices were in on it together. It took me a month to figure it out. Ultimately I found a friend of the family who is a realtor and they got our house sold within one weekend. We've heard other similar stories to our own. I tell you these stories because hopefully it will help you be wary and not naïve like I was. Our debacle with the sale of our house helped us catch realtor after realtor after realtor while looking for property in the south. Overall extremely disheartening. Good luck.
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
we have family in the area that is tied into the "Good Ole Boys" network. While it probably sounds horrible how local will buy and sell to local, having grown up in rural Florida, I can tell you horror stories of "yankees"
Logan Albright wrote:
we have family in the area that is tied into the "Good Ole Boys" network. While it probably sounds horrible how local will buy and sell to local, having grown up in rural Florida, I can tell you horror stories of "yankees"
Well then you're all set with regards to getting land. Now you just have to select the "right" kind of permies for your community.
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
Karen Lee Mack wrote:One lesson I learned early, the hard way, is that unless you signed a buyer agent contract, the agent is ALWAYS working for the seller. Always and by law actually. It is VERY hard to remember that while riding around looking at properties with them if they are at all personable. If they are truly honest, they will remind you of this fact often.
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Anne Miller wrote:
Karen Lee Mack wrote:One lesson I learned early, the hard way, is that unless you signed a buyer agent contract, the agent is ALWAYS working for the seller. Always and by law actually. It is VERY hard to remember that while riding around looking at properties with them if they are at all personable. If they are truly honest, they will remind you of this fact often.
This is exactly why I recommend that folks find their own real estate agent. Someone who will represent them during the sales process and during closing.
By the way, if you are planning to buy land with other folks, I would advise going through a Real Estate Laywer to handle the transaction.
That way the land can be subdivided at the time of the sale. This will save a lot of money in the long run.
Another option would be to go the "Intentional Community" route:
https://permies.com/f/6/intentional-community
It will still be a good idea to have a lawyer handle the legal agreements.
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
John Daley Bendigo, Australia The Enemy of progress is the hope of a perfect plan
Benefits of rainfall collection https://permies.com/t/88043/benefits-rainfall-collection
GOOD DEBT/ BAD DEBT https://permies.com/t/179218/mortgages-good-debt-bad-debt
Karen Lee Mack wrote:I wanted to update that we are still working on this and currently investigating how to set it up in order to protect everyone involved.
I have one serious taker that we are emailing back and forth on what our objectives would be.
If you are looking for beautiful lush area to homestead, it doesn't get much better than SW Georgia.
You just have to be able to handle rural redneck American community lol!
Celery
John C Daley wrote:Have you considered looking at other agreements already established.
Intentional Communities has some resources also.
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
gary calery wrote:
Karen Lee Mack wrote:I wanted to update that we are still working on this and currently investigating how to set it up in order to protect everyone involved.
I have one serious taker that we are emailing back and forth on what our objectives would be.
If you are looking for beautiful lush area to homestead, it doesn't get much better than SW Georgia.
You just have to be able to handle rural redneck American community lol!
Hi Karen,
I'm wanting my response to come across as gentle and friendly. Your comment on being able to handle the redneck community strikes me as maybe you are wanting start your own community among an established community with negative opinions of the current residents. The "redneck" community, like any other group of people, have individuals who are distinctly different from other members of their community. They are not all the same.
Over 40 years ago, I was part of the "back to the land" movement of the peace and love generation of hippies. I traveled to 44 states looking for the right combination of privacy and economic opportunity to raise my family. I found it in rural KY among "rednecks". I was an outsider who didn't resemble or act like the residents. One fellow even asked me "what are you?" He was perplexed by my swarthy complexion and accent since I was from the upper peninsula of Michigan. I was as much of an outsider as the community had ever seen up to that time.
I had to earn respect in the community based on hard work and honesty. My children who were born here would always be considered outsiders to some because they don't have a generational pedigree in the community.
I found that when I moved here to go back to the land, the rural residents had never left the land and I had much to learn from the local residents. My notion of rural life came from Mother Earth News and Organic Gardening magazines. There were no computers to add confusion to my need to gather information about living a rural lifestyle. After I bought my piece of land I found that a serious immersion with an obsession to homesteading brought hard fought success after much error caused by my preconceived notions of what the lifestyle would be.
I found that the locals who lived on the land knew what to grow and what would succeed in the micro-climate of the area. In my readings, I thought I could grow whatever I wanted because that's what they told me in the magazines. I didn't realize how one must work within the confines of individual soil types and micro-climates. What I learned from the locals gave me experience from which to grow and work with the challenges that the magazines never taught me. Experience allowed me to experiment more and have many successes in gardening and survival. It takes years of real experience on the land to establish a base of knowledge for success. Clicking on the computer increases computer skills. The computer doesn't really prepare you for the mistakes that you will make every day in the real world of homesteading.
The new generation of back to the landers that I have met come with the attitude that they have a head full of knowledge that will make them succeed and a sense of arrogance that they know more than the rednecks around them. My feeling is that for a new community to survive alongside, or within, an established community, the newcomers much strive to gain the respect of the existing residents. I think to gain respect you must treat others with respect. Going in with an attitude that you may have something to learn from the previous generations that have survived in the local area would serve you well in an a place that you would like to make a home for you and your future generations.
I hope this speech from an old man doesn't leave you offended.
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
David Greene wrote:Karen, What part of South Georgia are you looking? i have a couple of friends who like myself are retired young and want to grow and live off the land. There is nothing like a community of neighbors and thats what i have here but its being threatened with development. currently i have 5 acres of land east of atlanta and all my neighbors have about the same. I am ready to take the leap of faith and set up roots somewhere more rural. I raise chickens have some fruit trees etc and a good size garden. Would like about 20 acres or so myself and having like minded neighbors would be great. Let me know how things are going and maybe i can help you from here even if we cant make it work.
~Karen Lee Mack
Moving to south Georgia FALL 2024!!
Clarissa Moore wrote:Check out St George, Charlton County Georgia. There's a few good permie folks out thsre.
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