West of Denver, Colorado @ 8,000'
Zone 4(ish)... Summers are still brutal!
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West of Denver, Colorado @ 8,000'
Zone 4(ish)... Summers are still brutal!
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Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
For all your Montana Masonry Heater parts (also known as) Rocket Mass heater parts.
Visit me at
dragontechrmh.com Once you go brick you will never go back!
S. Marshall wrote:
I live on a north facing slope on a mountain close to 8,000' elevation and I want a Rocket Mass Heater. How have others addressed this with their home owners insurance?
My county will only approve of a solid fuel burning stove if you purchase the newest EPA stoves. I want to be delicate talking to these people out of fear of getting shut down. I spoke with people at Building Safety who handle this and their applications require the Make/Model/Manufacturer to be listed. As I tried to explain you can build this the person said "surely someone has to manufacture the stove". They don't get it.
I've contacted the people who make Liberator stoves and unfortunately they don't get the EPA rating because the EPA deducts from it's efficiency unless you pay a large sum to "prove" you're a big manufacturer to get it back.
Do the owners of RMHs here simply build them without concern regarding their home owners insurance? Does anyone have advice on how to handle this?
Anne Miller wrote:....
I feel the easiest way to get an insurance company to approve ... is to go with the Ul-approved Liberator.
thomas rubino wrote:Indeed, S;
...double skin batchbox...
Scott Weinberg wrote:
...batch box...
William Bronson wrote: ...Regulations often have exceptions for things rich people want....
When a home builder wants to stray far from the conventional, regulations often call from an engineer to put their stamp of approval on it.
Usually this is very expensive 😕 but the right engineer might look upon a the extensive documentation on batch rockets and see the opportunity to become the goto guy for home built rocket mass heaters.
If there are any local certified pizza oven designers/builders, they might feel the same.
So yeah, maybe ask about installing a woodfired oven inside of a residential building and go from there.
A batch box rocket can include an oven in the bell, or the burn chamber itself can be used as an ove.
West of Denver, Colorado @ 8,000'
Zone 4(ish)... Summers are still brutal!
Scott Weinberg wrote:
...batch box...
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Scott Weinberg wrote:
...While you certainly can do a batch with nothing but barrels, I can't imagine how hot the room would with on my stove....
The sizing work is very well established for what ever size you decide to go with.....
....You could have your bell very close to the wall, and your not going to be lashing 600 degrees or more at the wall...
.....Although true on a J, The bell really gives you a area of facade treatment. Hopefully you will see in the photos, This was a test bed for granite/tile and brick All work well.
West of Denver, Colorado @ 8,000'
Zone 4(ish)... Summers are still brutal!
S. Marshall wrote:
Scott Weinberg wrote:
...While you certainly can do a batch with nothing but barrels, I can't imagine how hot the room would with on my stove....
The sizing work is very well established for what ever size you decide to go with.....
....You could have your bell very close to the wall, and your not going to be lashing 600 degrees or more at the wall...
.....Although true on a J, The bell really gives you a area of facade treatment. Hopefully you will see in the photos, This was a test bed for granite/tile and brick All work well.
Thanks Scott! Now I remember reading about the batchbox, this makes sense.
For your first sentence I quoted, did you mean because the barrel is steel it could possibly overheat the room? Whereas the brick bell version is brick or similar and therefore just warms up? So in a sense, the non-barrel version has more thermal mass because the bell is made of brick? Also, would the barrel be considered a bell as well?
That would explain why you say you can put it closer to a wall I assume. Thanks!
Arliss W.
Zone 3b, Palmer Alaska
Arliss Wirtanen wrote:I actually just checked with my insurance company today to ask them if it was a problem to replace my existing old wood stove with a “masonry style heater” and they told me it is fine as long as it was not my primary source of heat… BUT with the (rather significant) limitation of it has to be built by a certified installer.
This will take every ounce of my mental strength! All for a tiny ad:
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