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Let me know what trees you need/want for your projects here in Portugal, if there is enough interest in certain trees I will source, grow and sell them next year. Would be happy to take future orders too, clearly :).

I have started small this year with:
- Paulownia Shantong
- Stone Pine
- Pomegranate

All trees are grown in root training pots that airprune to reduce the chance of rootbound stock.

Please help by replying with the tree/shrub type, variety(if necessary) & volume you are looking for.

This will really help me make my growing decisions, thanks in advance peoples :)
 
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Those sound like good trees.  What native trees can you grow?
 
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I thought Paulownia Shan Tong was a hybrid between Fortunei and Tomentosa, and as Tomentosa is classed as invasive and I understand illegal to grow here, I would have thought hybrids were too.

Might be best to check...
 
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@AnneMiller, Stone Pine is considered native to Portugal, and whatever trees people need I will investigate the viability of growing them.
@Burra, you are correct about the Tormentosa, but, Shantong variety is legal to grow here in PT. (The Shantong variety is not considered highly invasive like Tormentosa)
 
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Hey Mark,
I'm in Spain and currently looking for:
  • Curry tree (Murraya koenigii)
  • Yuzu lemon
  • Service berry (Amelanchier)


  • Any chance you'll find those?
     
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    Planfor, which is a French company, carry a large stock of fruit trees and will ship to Spain (and Portugal, I presume).
    For example, they have Yuzu lemon (pricey !!): https://www.planfor.es/compra,limon-yuzu,9920,ES
    Their website is available in English, but I'm not sure the English site isn't focused on the UK, which is no longer in the EU, making it more difficult to ship living plants (and seeds).
    You can get a curry tree from Entresemillas, in Málaga (also pricey!): https://entresemillas.com/plantas/1893-arbol-curry-murraya-koenigii-planta.html
    You should be able to get Amelanchier in many local garden centres
     
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    Hey Benjamin,
    I would like a Curry tree (Murraya koenigii) myself, I will get a few of these going.
    You also inspired me & I am also going to grow a few star Anise trees...

    The:
    - Yuzu lemon
    - Service berry (Amelanchier)
    look really well served in the market already as mentioned by John.

    Other sources indicate that the following will be a good start to so I have sourced some seeds already for:
    - cork oak
    - carob
     
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    I have one of these which I can send you some seeds of if you like - https://www.epicgardening.com/sichuan-pepper-plant/



    The spice is the husk, not the seed, so I'll have plenty spare. They're not ripe yet  but they're just starting to show a bit of pink colour. Chameleon not included.
     
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    Burra, that would be epic. Sichuan pepper is the weirdest sensation. I got to try a similar plant from Brasil that plays with your tastebuds, we had it as part of a flavoured
    cachasa tasting we had, cant remember the plant though...
     
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    I wonder if
    Moringa
    Bread fruit
    would grow in the South of Portugal?? 🤔
    They are my 2 absolute favourites
     
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    Oaks of various species with different uses are key players in your ecosystem, and in similar climates around the world.  Thinking first of acorn producers, both for people and for animals.  There are less-bitter varieties of many types available, and the hunt for more is ongoing and deserves encouragement. There are nurseries in America working with hybridizing oaks...a long-term project for sure, but the first generations of crosses are showing a lot of promise in acorn yield and precocity, growth rate, and climate resilience.  Mediterranean oaks like Q. ilex and Q. suber are common introduced trees in California....makes me wonder if anyone is growing California oaks in Europe....species like Q. lobata and Q. douglasii are amazing trees and produce huge yields of big acorns.  Growing oaks in a nursery is a challenge which would make you popular if you can master it....the seedlings are often taprooted and so things like air-pruning containers may be the way forward.
     
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    What a wonderful topic, Australia has strict rules on plant importation, but what you are trying to do is great.
    I wish you well.
     
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    How interesting you mention oaks.
    I was walking my dog yesterday and I noticed an increasing number of oak trees are dying in my area for no apparent reason. Not just one or 2 or 4..... I spotted a dozen or more that  were relatively big trees all brown, broken and brown or "browing" at the crown.... other surrounding trees looked fine....
    I approached one of them and noticed the leaves had some "hard lumps" that were not typical from the leaf, like little pimples.
    Anybody has any idea what that is?
     
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    They could be oak galls, which are caused by wasps. Here's an article from wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_apple

    In Oregon, oak galls combined with grey squirrels are causing oak trees to die back. This article from Oregon State University explains it much better than I can:

    https://extension.oregonstate.edu/ask-extension/featured/whats-causing-leaf-damage-oak-trees

    Maybe there is something similar going on with the oak trees in your area, but I'm not sure. Apparently, most healthy oak trees will survive this problem.
     
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    Here's an article about the oak apple gall wasp which is found in Portugal, it might be the species that's causing oak trees to die back in your country:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorhiza_pallida

    Hope all this info helps...
     
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