Permaculture Voices Housing

I found a house on VRBO ( http://www.vrbo.com/3484720ha# ) that sleeps 8, but really 4 unless you have couples. There are 4 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms and renting it from 3/12 to 3/17 will cost $1775. That would be about $440 per room (although it would make sense to charge a little more for the master bedroom). It looks like a really nice house, with a swimming pool and a backyard barbecue.

This house is 3 miles from the Pechanga Casino where the conference is being held. I am flying into Ontario California, arriving there late on Wednesday the 12th and I will be renting a car to drive to Temecula. I will return to Ontario on Monday morning the 17th. I could share the ride with others if our schedules coincide.

Ce Rice, Valerie Green, if we went in together we would just need one more person to fill out this house. When I priced a room at the casino, the total was close to $800 and I don't think that included all the taxes and fees.

This condo: http://www.vrbo.com/269540ha might also work. I can't confirm availability as they don't have an online calendar, but it is priced at $1100/week and has 3 bedrooms.

This house is super cool: http://www.vrbo.com/344176

So, potential attendees: can we get a group together to share a house or condo??

Ontarioooooo! I just booked my flight to LAX (Los Angeles)

ANYONE else flying into LAX ?? I got my best rate that way. Hope I don't loose the difference by the longer distance

Okay, so I fly in Wedn Morning 10ish, and leave Monday noonish

I don't mind staying all day at LAX on Wednesday(till 5 or 6 or maybe 7pm) to wait for others flying in, enough to fill a car....
unless there is a cheaper way to travel from LAX to Temecula.
All us early arrivers at the airport can play Permaculture card until anyone else arrives.

I'd like to do a group buy, I don't mind renting the car, how much would anyone be willing to pay for the one way (one ride to Temecula, one ride back to LAX) ?
would $25/person per each way be fair? I'll pay for the gas there and back. Then anyone that pays for the ride from the airport can ride with me as often as possible/needed during the week there.

I'm just trying to make this experience affordable, without making it so thrifty that it makes it unpleasant.

Ideas, suggestions?

I haven't booked it yet, but think the hotel will be a little better option.
If can get a room with two queens, or two kings or two fulls, and sleepable couch, for $120/night then that would be $600 for 5 nights.
For 3 people splitting it, it would be $200 per person ($40/night)

If two people don't mind sleeping on a HOTEL floor, then it could be a little cheaper. (they'd probably only pay $20/night). And all would get free breakfast.

But the house would be SUPER cool and maybe more enjoyable.

?? how do we get all the attendees together to work out these deals/arrangements, etc?? I feel there are only 5-10 attendees on Permies looking so far.

Ce Rice wrote:I haven't booked it yet, but think the hotel will be a little better option.
If can get a room with two queens, or two kings or two fulls, and sleepable couch, for $120/night then that would be $600 for 5 nights.
For 3 people splitting it, it would be $200 per person ($40/night)

If two people don't mind sleeping on a HOTEL floor, then it could be a little cheaper. (they'd probably only pay $20/night). And all would get free breakfast.

But the house would be SUPER cool and maybe more enjoyable.

?? how do we get all the attendees together to work out these deals/arrangements, etc?? I feel there are only 5-10 attendees on Permies looking so far.

Could rent a house and let people camp out in the yard. I am would be there are people into that. I am checking on a few rental options that I know of. I can send out some emails to solicit interest.

The casino hotel is not $120/night. It's $129 on weeknights and goes up to, I think< $279 or something wild on Saturday night (a lot more) for a 2 queen bed room. There is a Ramada Inn not too far away that is going to be less expensive. Renting a house sounds cool, but will only work if we can have multiple people sharing. That last house I linked to is on 4 acres so that would be lots of room for campers if the owners don't freak out about that sort of thing.

Diego, I would love to hear about people that want to share a house. I'm a little nervous that folks can flake out on the actual, you know, payment and leave me with a bill--but if they've come up with the cash for the conference that would imply they are taking this seriously and have some resources. . .

Oh, and for super cheap there's a lady on AirBnB offering an air mattress in her spare room for $35 a night. I'm not up for that--I spent August, September and most of October on an air mattress and I've had enough of that, especially now that I'm employed again! The nice place on AirBNB was booked already. . .but there are more there.

Ce Rice wrote:Ontarioooooo! I just booked my flight to LAX (Los Angeles)

ANYONE else flying into LAX ?? I got my best rate that way. Hope I don't loose the difference by the longer distance

LAX, Ontario and San Diego are all about equidistant from Temecula. The difference in distance is minimal. Traffic is probably equal for the most part as well. So the cheapest airport is the best bet.

Julia Winter wrote:
Ce Rice, Valerie Green, if we went in together we would just need one more person to fill out this house. When I priced a room at the casino, the total was close to $800 and I don't think that included all the taxes and fees.

This condo: http://www.vrbo.com/269540ha might also work. I can't confirm availability as they don't have an online calendar, but it is priced at $1100/week and has 3 bedrooms.

This house is super cool: http://www.vrbo.com/344176

So, potential attendees: can we get a group together to share a house or condo??

Here is the one I was thinking of: http://www.vrbo.com/469467

I have been in the house and it is huge. 14 may be an understatement as well. Plus a lawn for anyone looking to camp.

Grant it the logistics would be a nightmare to coordinate this. So I would suggest that whoever organizes it stays for free.

Paul may even be into the idea of staying at a house like this with fellow permies.

I do like the idea of staying in a house like that full of permies.

I like the idea of arriving a few days before voices - maybe getting a little sun and seeing some projects. And then staying a few days after voices.

paul wheaton wrote:I do like the idea of staying in a house like that full of permies.

I like the idea of arriving a few days before voices - maybe getting a little sun and seeing some projects. And then staying a few days after voices.

And I am paying for Paul's housing, so if anyone takes this on, then there is a good chunk of money to the house fund, lowering the cost of everyone. You just may have to cook Paul some bacon in the morning.

I think it would be great if a crowd of us did some fun things a few days before the conference and a few days after. I'm not sure what, but I suspect it would be great.

I'm interested in staying at a permie filled house too!

Hadn't booked any lodging yet for PV and I was curious if something like this would come up.
I was considering staying at the hotel to save travel time, etc. or maybe grab a room or something from Airbnb or couchsurfer.

A permie filled house sounds way more fun, and that house is, dare I say, swank.

-Ryan

Julia Winter wrote:The casino hotel is not $120/night. It's $129 on weeknights and goes up to, I think< $279 or something wild on Saturday night (a lot more) for a 2 queen bed room.

No, not the Pachanga hotel,
I was referring to hotels I searched that are in the town of Temecula. They are the same rate for your whole stay, not up on the weekends.

Anyway,
That Mc Castle would be awesome. If I could be assured of repayment I could dip into my savings and get it booked.

Surely there would be enough interest? right?

Anyone called the sales rep already? I'll call her in a bit.

BUT, I'm coming on Wednesday, and leaving on Monday.... flight already booked. So I couldn't book it for more than those days. Don't know how hard it would be to add the days on the front or the end, or if then it would mean someone who's going to stay the whole 10-14 days to make the booking.

hmmm, well I didn't call yet.

cost for 5 days is showing at $2800 PLUS a refundable $1000 damage deposit.

at 5 nights and 14 occupants, that's still $40 a night. with some ups and some downs.

? should I call ?

oh, sorry Diego, yes, will do! thanks

The palazzo/castle is super impressive, but I can't see how it sleeps 14, or even 11. There is one king bed, three queen beds and two twin beds--that's 10 people if you have 5 couples. I'd be happy to sleep in a twin bed and share a bedroom with someone nice, I'm not sure about sharing a bed. . . Also, gorgeous house with amazing kitchen and views, but no outdoor jacuzzi --I really like sitting in hot water outdoors. The palazzo is 8 miles from the casino.

http://www.vrbo.com/3503092ha This place has 4 bedrooms instead of 5 (1 king, 2 queens, 1 double) and it says it can sleep 10, so there's an extra something for a 5th bed somewhere. It's on 5 acres. Click the link and check out that swimming pool, with separate spa and full outdoor kitchen. Can be rented for $2600 for a week (that's the winter rate which runs to 3/16). It is 8.5 miles from the casino. Paul, I love the idea of adding days to the beginning or end, but I've already bought my tickets. I'm arriving late on Wednesday night the 12th and I will need to leave about 8am on Monday to make my flight in Ontario. If the rental went from Monday to Monday at this place, I think $2600 could be the price. I'd be willing to pay 1/4 of that, even if I can only stay 5 nights, because it would be like paying $130/night for 5 nights. Of course, paying 1/5 of that would be even better, and what really makes sense is charging a little more for the master suite (duke suite? ) and less for the 5th non-bedroom situation.

http://www.vrbo.com/3484720ha This one I mentioned before is not an estate, but it does have a nice pool and an outdoor jacuzzi. It is much closer to the casino--3 miles. It has 4 bedrooms and the weekly rate is $1475. It might be easier to fill. Obviously for me 1/4 of this price is do-able.

Oh, and I am more than happy to cook bacon in the mornings. Bacon and eggs. This morning I cooked the bacon slowly, to render much of the fat, then caramelized finely diced onion in that pan of bacon fat. I mixed 6 eggs with some milk and then slow cooked that with the onion, for a custardy texture, turning the heat up at the end to get some dry surfaces on the scramble. The finishing touch was pesto. So good!! We just need to figure out where to get the really good bacon (or bring it with us)!

Our move in to this new house is going s..l..o..w..l..y so I don't think I'll have home made bacon in March. The Ikea kitchen cabinets arrive Tuesday, but lord knows when the kitchen will be functional again.

I anticipate some really awesome evening meals if we could all stay in a nice house with an outdoor kitchen (and we get plugged in to sources of good food). After a cold/wet winter, some time outside in the desert could be pretty sweet.

Kat and I are totally willing to stay at the permie house. We will be childless.

Excellent! I think what's reasonable is to charge by the room, so couples will save money. If we have Paul (& Jocelyn, I presume), plus Ce, plus me, plus Matthew and Kat, that's 4 bedrooms right there. I think we could swing the house with swimming pool (http://www.vrbo.com/3503092ha) on just this amount of interest, although getting another couple would be lovely (that would put me or Ce in the mysterious 5th bedroom). If Paul says he's happy with the close-in house (3 miles), we're done. That one (look here http://www.vrbo.com/3484720ha ) is $1475/week so roughly $369/room for a week--leaves more money for buying good food!

It's a little tricky, because the longer you wait, the fewer houses there are to choose from, but there will likely be more people wanting to jump in later on.

I have charts to finish, but after that I will look to see if there is a bigger house that also has a way to sit submerged in hot water, outside. I'm rather fond of that activity.

Anybody else, please share links for what you find. I think within 10-15 miles of the casino is reasonable, and a weekly rate is generally a bonus. We could run from Monday to Monday, Tuesday to Tuesday or from Wednesday to Wednesday. (Ce and I have both purchased our airline tickets from Wednesday to Monday.)

Lurkers, if you are interested, speak up!

I've PM'ing with Ce and if he's in, I'm in.

Diego Footer wrote:

Ce Rice wrote:I haven't booked it yet, but think the hotel will be a little better option.
If can get a room with two queens, or two kings or two fulls, and sleepable couch, for $120/night then that would be $600 for 5 nights.
For 3 people splitting it, it would be $200 per person ($40/night)

If two people don't mind sleeping on a HOTEL floor, then it could be a little cheaper. (they'd probably only pay $20/night). And all would get free breakfast.

But the house would be SUPER cool and maybe more enjoyable.

?? how do we get all the attendees together to work out these deals/arrangements, etc?? I feel there are only 5-10 attendees on Permies looking so far.

Could rent a house and let people camp out in the yard. I am would be there are people into that. I am checking on a few rental options that I know of. I can send out some emails to solicit interest.

I just joined permies.com to find out if there was some discussion about housing options for the conference...and it looks like there are!

Looks like things are starting to materialize as far as housing at the conference in March.

Look forward to hearing more and getting to know some fellow permies.

Thanks all
Rob

http://www.vrbo.com/488145#location

This is a truly massive house - 9 bedrooms, two of which have fold out couches for extra people - which would not be too expensive if we found enough people. It does not have a pool, it says it has a "seven person above ground hot tub," but there is no photo of the hot tub. It's on 5 acres. It has 6.5 bathrooms.

OK, I'm still finishing charts--just took a little break to daydream about spring (sitting next to the pellet stove in my chilly little house with a blanket wrapped around me) in a warmer place.

Julia Winter wrote:http://www.vrbo.com/488145#location

This is a truly massive house - 9 bedrooms, two of which have fold out couches for extra people - which would not be too expensive if we found enough people. It does not have a pool, it says it has a "seven person above ground hot tub," but there is no photo of the hot tub. It's on 5 acres. It has 6.5 bathrooms.

OK, I'm still finishing charts--just took a little break to daydream about spring (sitting next to the pellet stove in my chilly little house with a blanket wrapped around me) in a warmer place.

This is crazy...but looks super nice. If we had enough people - it would be awesome!

For whatever it's worth, it's worth pointing out that I will prob not be able to spend time before and after hanging out.

I'm a little flexible here, but was pretty much planning on time for the conference only and perhaps one or two days before/after

It would be cool to get march 10-19.

The 9 bedroom place has 11 beds. I suppose you could divide things up by the bed. Maybe rent out a couple of couches and some floor space on top of that. The weekly rate is $6265. So it might get to be around $40 per person per night.

Diego, what is your budget for housing me? If you say something like $200 per night for five nights, that's $1000. So whatever the price, that would be $1000 off.

I would prefer something bigger to have more community.

http://www.vrbo.com/485530

Even bigger! Plus, this one reports a pool and a spa, although the photos are mostly of bedrooms and there's no picture of a pool. This one is like a small hotel, with 9 formal bedrooms and 10 bathrooms. One bedroom has 2 queen beds in it. That gives you a potential for 20 guests, but the listing says up to 24 people so I figure there are two pull out couches somewhere. The weekly rate is $8225, so we'd really have to fill the place up to make it reasonable for those staying 5 nights. It is 9.6 miles from the casino. You get perks at the winery it is basically a part of, if you stay more than 3 mights.

I'm just speculating here, but if Paul (via Diego) puts in $1000, then it will be something like $725/bed for a week. Still a bit much. Of course, if there are other speakers that would like to share a grand house and have a $1K budget, well then, it might work. If the owners are OK with campers there's a good chance it could work. Lots of moving parts.

I'd prefer something a bit less fancy.

http://www.vrbo.com/244052

This one is not so terribly grand and posh, but still looks quite nice. On 5 acres at the same vineyard as the previous place I linked, with a big patio and pool (hot tub is above ground--you can see in the pictures). 7 bedrooms and 9 beds (2 pull out couches) with 6.5 bathrooms for $3500/week. Now, if we pull $1K from THAT, we've got ~$312/bed for a week, and that's quite do-able. I would presume that the weekly charge would be more for private rooms, bigger rooms, etc, so there would be a range of prices for permies. Couples will pay less, easily, and other folks will pay less if they are wiling to share a bed with a new friend, and even less if we can start packing couches without freaking out the owners.

I should note that actual final costs for all these places will be more than the numbers I'm showing, because there is 12% tax, and required cleaning fees, and things like that. (Unless we squeeze extra people in.)

Julia Winter wrote:http://www.vrbo.com/244052

This one is not so terribly grand and posh...we've got ~$312/bed for a week...

Boom. That's what I'm talking about!

http://www.vrbo.com/418080 (I'm starting to feel like a travel agent)

This one has 6 bedrooms but says it sleeps 20 (one room is called a "bunk room") and costs $2950 for a week. I think this one would make for a nice range of lodging options. Mentions a hot tub, no picture of it (yes, the outdoor hot water thing is a priority for me). This one is the opposite direction from all the others, further south down the interstate a bit. Looks like it is perching on the top of a hill--lovely views.

Kevin Hiebert wrote:I've PM'ing with Ce and if he's in, I'm in.

Are you manly/thrifty enough to share a bed with your friend??

Julia Winter wrote:http://www.vrbo.com/418080 (I'm starting to feel like a travel agent)

This one has 6 bedrooms but says it sleeps 20 (one room is called a "bunk room") and costs $2950 for a week. I think this one would make for a nice range of lodging options. Mentions a hot tub, no picture of it (yes, the outdoor hot water thing is a priority for me). This one is the opposite direction from all the others, further south down the interstate a bit. Looks like it is perching on the top of a hill--lovely views.

this one looks the best so far. How much farther away is it? I think if it adds more than 5 minutes of travel, then 244052 is the best.

Id like to camp; permie house or othercoooooooold climates zone4-6 4063143080. Permaculture Montana FB and permies.com

The 6 bedroom "sleeps 20" house is <15 minutes from the casino per Google maps. From the description:

The home has six large bedrooms, three of which feature 6ft. ceiling fans and feature large private balconies. All bedrooms have private entries and are designed to take advantage of the breath taking views, especially the loft rooms.The sixth bedroom is a 1,000 sq. ft. bunk room with multiple beds that will accommodate additional guests

There are pictures of only the three upstairs bedrooms, and at least one of them is totally open to the great room, dining room and kitchen so will need to be occupied by easy sleepers. Still, the variety of sleeping options makes it appealing.

It has several excellent reviews, which is good to see. One of the reviews talks about futons and airbeds for their large group. I already wrote to the Bailey's (who have the two winery properties) with a question about variable length stays. I will write to the owner of this property about the various accommodations.

I would love to stay at the Permahouse! I have no problem sleeping on the floor if need be.

Sounds like a great opportunity to meet with like minded people. also I can help cook if we decide to do so.

Thanks Julia, I appreciate your efforts in coordinating housing!

If you all can't arrange enough people to fill a house. I would be willing to offer a few slightly discounted conference tickets to people that would stay in the house with you all. That way the person would save on a ticket and save on lodging by being part of the house.

this last house looks like it is the best because of the "bunk" room. having that many bed options helps in case there aren't that many couples.

I am looking to book a room in the next week or two and would love to join the house. It would be myself, my wife and our 3 month old. I would be happy to pay a little more to get the master or which ever room will be the quietest. Would also be willing to split a house with another couple.

I have exchanged emails with Tom, the owner of the hilltop house with the "bunk room." I don't have a lot of information yet, but I will keep y'all posted. I agree that the variety of housing at this place makes it a good choice. I don't know if there is any level ground outside suitable for pitching a tent or even if such a thing would be accepted by the owner.

Tomas, Paul will be getting the master suite, but there are 5 bedrooms in this house and they will be rented out per room, with variable charges according to how nice the room seems. The bunk room will rent out per bed, I think.