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Crimean Oven technology applied to Rocket Mass Floor heating?

 
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I just came across this article about a Crimean Oven used in the U.S. Civil war of 1860's. They have something going on with the trench through the tent creating a draft to pull the heat through. According to the article it made very diffused heat that was equally felt throughout the tent.
Perhaps the concept can be applied to create radiant floor heating with a Rocket heater? Interesting history and tech anyway!
You can read the article here:
http://www.notechmagazine.com/2014/03/crimean-ovens.html

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I like this because the fire is outside of the living space.
 
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It is the bench. You could do the same thing if you built a split-level or added a pit to lower the rocket and then run the tube under the rest of the floor.

It was done in a yurt on a thread here somewhere.

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I was thinking if it was a cob construction dwelling, the trench/bench could be built into the earthen floor. I wonder if that would be helpful in a wofati situation? As a back-up? It would provide more open floor space at least. Yurts make sense too - I'll check that posting out

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Replace the fireplace with the barrel (and make the rest of it a little earthier).

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Nice image! I want that for my next living room!

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Not far an idea. https://permies.com/t/33247/rocket-stoves/Milk-mass

Tho, in any type of floor rocket, it would be best practice to insulate the mass from underneath and sides to stop conduction losses.

But what your depicting has been done not long ago.

https://permies.com/t/29781/rocket-stoves/RMH-autopsy-redesign-modifications

https://permies.com/t/29327/labs/RMH-Tipi

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Thank you for the links Satamax! I read most of what's there and will go back and re-read again. The one thing I think that is different in the Crimean Oven approach is that it was imperative (in their minds) that the trench be built on a slope. Not a big one, but a slight up angle. This is what helped to pull the heat through such a long distance. I wonder how much impact a slope would have on the RMH pipe in the floor?

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Shari Greer wrote:Thank you for the links Satamax! I read most of what's there and will go back and re-read again. The one thing I think that is different in the Crimean Oven approach is that it was imperative (in their minds) that the trench be built on a slope. Not a big one, but a slight up angle. This is what helped to pull the heat through such a long distance. I wonder how much impact a slope would have on the RMH pipe in the floor?



I suspect the slope was as much or more about water drainage.
 
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