I am forced to have garbage service on a bare piece of land (Since upon purchased, I shot myself in the foot by signing up for a garbage service for convenience). Even if I lived on it (which I will upon building in a few years) it is still BS. I like many of you eat a lot of fruits, veggies, bulk foods, aka foods without barcodes. I also don't consume as much products in general as the typical American. Yet "they" assume I create 32 gallons worth of trash a week and don't want me to be tempted into illegal dumping, so they make trash service mandatory for everyone.
Wouldn't a better system be tax all packaged foods/items? The tax would, in theory, go towards funding a garbage company to dump all our said taxed items which make up the bulk of trash for the typical American. The more you buy, the more trash you have. Don't want to pay? Don't eat barcodes! If illegal dumping occured, the items dumped were taxed so it has already funded the cleanup.
Personally if I had it my way, I would recycle a lot of fancy fermented drinks and coconut water etc, and the other half would be dumped once a month at most at a local dump.
I have had mandatory service several places in the past. Complete PITA--if I have to pack everything up to take it to the "curb" down a quarter mile drive, how much more work is it to drop it off on the way store?
Glad I don't have it now.
I'm not saying it's right that responsible, efficient people should have to pay; I'm saying sometimes the best of a bunch of crappy plans is to assure that it is in people's best interest to not hoard garbage or dump illegally.
If you know of a better way that you've seen work to prevent the nasty, I would be eager to climb on board.
I guess I just have to take the cowardice route, build a house, and cash out and move to BFE lol.
My other main concern is Plac3r county CA does not allow composting toilets. As if me composting my own waste as they did the past 10000000000 years is going to effect anyone on my acre of land. I'd pay $25,000 for an outhouse permit instead of a septic if I could!
I still have to have a septic installed if I want to build a house though. I have 3 neighbors within eyesight, with $300-500K houses... I have a feeling the only option for me is to play by the rules in the land of the fee!
Alder Burns wrote:@Kyle....what's to prevent you from doing your humanure if you want? Who's going to nark on you? I kept a bucket in an apartment for ten years running, and nobody who I didn't choose to tell ever found out about it.
You had a perfectly functioning toilet in an apartment and you used a bucket ? I've used various methods at job sites and in remote locations, but if it's right there, the toilet is going to get used. I think it's wise to not tell too many about this sort of thing. Everybody has their level of commitment I guess.
Recycle is free (but only collected every other week).
Garbage and yard waste are collected each week.
For those 2, you are charged a fee, based on which size container you use.
The fee is added to your City Electric bill (whether you put a bin out or not).
So, I guess that if you went off grid, the trash would become free.
The yard waste/kitchen scraps (even allows old pizza delivery boxes) is handled by a private company.
They collect 300,000 tons from the city, and another 200,000 from surrounding communities.
It gets turned into Cedar Grove Compost which is sold at every garden center in the area.
Considering how much they charge for the compost, that collection should be free !
If you take your own trash to the landfill, they charge by weight. $30 minimum, but you would need a hell of a lot to have to pay more than the minimum. Very high tech new landfill...but they will NOT let you take stuff from there.
No recycling. DH used to haul it to SLC when we rented an apt with recycling service. He moved, we haven't figure out a new plan.
Our most regular illegal dump issue here is some individual who drinks Keystone beer and tosses the cans - everywhere. The former mayor even called out the culprit in the weekly paper. In my thinking-worst-of-humanity moments I assume he (always a he) is drinking in the truck so the wife doesn't know. There aren't too many places you can even buy beer in the county (not even the grocery store), just three or four gas stations and the state liquor store, so someone knows who's doing it. But they ain't saying cuz the cash register keeps ringing.
Charles Tarnard wrote:I understand your frustration, but I've seen some ugly stuff from places that don't have it.
Unfortunately not everyone can be trusted to be sanitary or efficient.
This is too true. I am disturbed by what was below the surface on land I just bought. Needless to say there is no required trash service in this area, however one is available.
Overall Maine has some stellar environmental laws. When I spent considerable time in MN it took me months to get used to the idea of just dropping a soda can in the trash. Here not only soda cans are "returnable" for 5 cents, so are most bottles. We are talking everything from soda cans to individual milk bottles...who wants that crap on the side of our roads? And it is pretty simple, everyone pays the 5 or 10 cents at purchase, and so you get that back if you take it back. Want to be a jerk and just toss it out, fine you lost your money. And if you are like me and like to make money, there are return locations that pay 6 cents, so you can actually make 1 penny per bottle returned. I honestly think this should be a federal law and not a state law. When people who are impoverished are walking up and down the road picking up tossed out bottles and cans for extra money, dumping bottles and cans in the trash is down right stupid.
Domestic trash makes even more sense in my town. We are very rural, but it is very simple. I pay $1 for every bag of trash I generate. I buy "stickers" that go on the bags and the trash men take it. I can get them at the town office or at local area business like stores and whatnot. There is one slight moral issue on this though. Sometimes it is Wednesday and I am out of stickers and I live a long ways from town. I know to make the trash I have go on the truck, I can just paper clip a $1 bill to each bag and the trash man will take it. Because my brother-in-law once worked on the truck, I know they just pocket the cash and thus the town never gets the money. I know that, but don't want trash hanging around my house either! But whose fault is it...mine for causing the guys to be tempted by a few extra bucks for soda money...or is it theirs for not routing the money to the town?
As for recycling, despite my very rural area, on the first Wednesday we do not get trash pick up, but instead pick up our returnables. The paper, thin cardboard and cardboard gets shredded by a local dairy farmer who uses it for bedding. Plastics, glass and other common returnables are routed through other ways, but are taken.
As rural as we are here, I think we get a lot of trash things right.
Someone mentioned a deposit on bottles, 99% of cans and plastic bottles have it on here, glass oddly doesn't normally. a 1.5L soda bottle is 45c to return, a can is 15c (converted from DKK of course) You don't see many on the ground, in towns you see the drifters going round collecting them from bins.