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I have a 9 acre piece of land in definite bear country. It was formerly cleared and grazed by cattle and I'm wanted to restore the land and plant more trees. As I'm learning more about permaculture, I want to plant fruit trees and berries but I'm really worried about attracting bears. I recognize they are part of the eco system and its probably an unavoidable outcome. Just wondering people's thoughts - go ahead anyway or are there ways to deter bears from your fruit trees?
 
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Bears do not like dogs. If the property is fenced and dogs are loose at all times, your food crops would have some protection. Bears are tenacious, though ...

For the truly hardcore, the other option is to not consider bears a threat to your food forest, but rather part of your food forest to be harvested in season.
 
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I think it depends on the system you want to create.

Are you okay with attracting bears to your property? Is attracting bears to your property going encourage them to travel to/through a dangerous place for them?

If you're okay with creating bear habitat I would be mindful that you're likely going to lose some of your crop to bears and have a few broken branches.

If you're not okay with creating bear habitat, livestock guardian dog or electric fencing would be recommended.
 
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What shape is your 9 acres? Where is your house and garden area  within that shape?

Along with what's already been suggested, if you decide to coexist with the bears, I'd strongly suggest that you have a Fort Knox exclusion zone and be prepared to manage your waste very carefully so that it isn't an attractant. Bears that get "familiar" with humans, or "dependent" on humans, usually end up dead. They can be incredibly strong. All that said, they, like most of our wild creatures, are under great threat from habitat destruction, so if you can live safely with them, they are part of the environment and contribute to it - like spreading seeds in nice manure packages -  a variation on the "seed ball".
 
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If you build it they will come. I just made that up.

If you grow fruit in bear land the bears will come and eat it, break your trees and generally mess stuff up. Bears are ok with me though. It's kind of fun to go round and round with 'em. Price you pay to live in paradise.
 
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Welcome to the forums. Are you talking black bears or another species? One thing that you can do to get better answers to any question posed on this forum is to put your general location in the world, growing zone, and elevation in your profile. It helps others to put your question, and their answer, in better context.

I instigate food forests in dense black bear country. I have a great pyrenees-akbash who protects everything within his fenced acre (our zone 1-2), including trees (he just guards his territory, i dont think he understands the longterm value of reforestation). Outside that acre, i have another four acres with trees in 3ft diameter and 5ft tall individual cages, but that is more for deer and roving ferrel cattle. I am going with full size trees in this zone partially to be able to handle more animal pressure, but a bear will fuck up a pretty good sized tree. Eventually i will fence around the food forest to keep in our dogs, so they can keep out tree killers. The rest of our 25acres will be left for wildlife to roam freely as its our zone 4-5.

One thing that is underappreciated about the unprecedented number of black bears now in the US, is that this is the natural result of us feeding them (mostly food waste in garbage), and removing their natural predators. Wolves, grizzlies and cougars all eat black bears when they get the chance. Large male black bears will also eat smaller ones, and if a dominant bear is killed you will get multiple young and more desparate bears coming into their vacated terrirory. Same goes for cougars and other territorial predators.
 
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Thanks for responses so far. We'll be at 7800ft in Colorado in zone 5a. There's black bears, mountain lions, elk and deer. The basic plan is to keep the house and 1 acre garden on one side of the property and start to plant trees the other side. The bears would need to come out of the mountains and through some residential areas to get to us, but I believe they already roam through - there are wild strawberries and other berries already growing. I'm hesitant to plant more fruit/berries for them to become more permanent residents.
 
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One way to ensure we don't get food forests is if we let the idea of black bears, or anything else, stop us trying to plant food forests. One thing I’m having to accept is that in nature only a fraction of trees survive to maturity, and bears are part of the thinning crew. They seem to particularly like stripping conifers and alders between 4-12” (or 10-30cm) thick. These happen to be over abundant ladder fuels in many western forests. It is a concern thought that fruit trees do spend much of their lives in that size range.

As my year old planting matures, i intend to key an ear open for hunter friends’ who sometimes have to kill a problem bear, and make Sepp Holzer style bear bone sauce with it.. Its almost always due to accessible garbage or poorly stored food, often by neighbors who habituate them. This is vastly more likely to be make a problem bear than fruit trees, as human food has been engineered to seduce us with much denser calories, proteins, salts, sugars and fats than any natural food. Only a really loaded tree or shrub would compare, but it would still differ from human food garbage in its effect on the bear’s behavior. Bears identify the human sources of food garbage, and then go to other human occupied areas because its associated with their food-crack. They will definitely remember in their extensive and detailed mental food map where a fruit tree is, but that will be lore akin to how it knows every wild plum and berry bush in its territory. Bears have been known to learn to shimmy on their backs along vineyard rows while raking grape clusters into their mouths. Thats gotta suck for the farmer, but these bears don’t then break into the farmers home to raid their pantry like they do after getting a taste of that sweet sweet food garbage just outside the house, which they can smell every item inside, and much of it smells like an even more voluminous, fresher and tastier version of that food garbage!

Anyhow, i may have to harvest a bear one day, and my dogs will help me eat it all, but I plan on using livestock guardian dogs and fencing to protect what i value most to prevent that if possible. Some of what I plant will inevitably go to wildlife, which I intend to plan to accept getting at least 1/3 in exchange for their ecological services, and just because they are my neighbors who were here first.

Good luck to you. I say plant on, just look for bulk rootstock and scion wood that you can graft onto for 10% the cost of pregrafted trees. Its not as local or climate analogous for you, but Burnt Ridge Nursery is an amazing place, and has served me well for this.
 
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Ben, that's an interesting and thoughtful response. Thanks!
 
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