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Daniel Palacios
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Hello, Daniel here..
I am curious to see whoes out there that may be interested in a partnership in buying land, a large amount, preferably though auction where prices are low, and turning it into a village. A sustainable eco-village with farming and homesteading, where one can get away from centralized living in cities and be with like-minded people for building a conscious community. My experience is in cooking, farming, natural design, and so much more. Currently working on an organic farm and really wanting to get some land of my own, or land share. I would like it to be on or near the mountains, but im not attached to any location for property. I do tho have concern for some elevation so we can passively move water, and if there were water running through it would be of great benefit. Biodynamics, animal husbandry, food forests, natural farming, clay balls, organic farming, fish farming, aquaponics, mycology culture, community love, nature lover, reforestation, wolf conservation, eat the weeds, eat the flowers, save the bees, slow and simple, roundwood building, bamboo building, fruit heaven, promote the artists. a few tags, to keep me from rambling on. Weather your doing this now, interested in doing this now, or are thinking of doing this later on, please, respond publicly or in private.
 
stephanie summers
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Couple 34 would love to speak with you. Its our dream to start a farm. We need experience and would love to explore the idea to with you further. Please email me stephaniesummers80@gmail.com
 
Ellen Schwab
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I have land. I'm looking for some young people willing to put up the sweat equity to get the farm going stronger. Hilly, SE Ohio, property is fenced and currently grazing cattle and sheep. I have machinery.


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Brock Samson
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Allen my name is Jason Horton I am 30 years old married and have a3 year old daughter my wife and I have been looking for just that kind of an opportunity we would love to speak with you further please contact me back at your earliest possible convenience at roscomerrywethr84@gmail.com

Thank you kindly and god bless
Jason, Jess and Autumn Horton
 
Daniel Palacios
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Brock Samson wrote:Allen my name is Jason Horton I am 30 years old married and have a3 year old daughter my wife and I have been looking for just that kind of an opportunity we would love to speak with you further please contact me back at your earliest possible convenience at roscomerrywethr84@gmail.com

Thank you kindly and god bless
Jason, Jess and Autumn Horton


Could you contact "Ellen" on her post rather than mine? You may get better feed back. If you are unsure how to , click her name and go to recent posts by here!
Thank you YasonJason.
 
Steven Johnson
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Hi Daniel, I'm interested in buying land in conjunction with other people and creating the conditions where a village might develop. Have you thought much about how you want to structure the ownership of the land? I have been thinking that a corporation, probably an LLC might be the best. it would need an appropriate charter, any ideas on that? I have some ideas involving how to decide what would be done. I'd like to make it as simple as possible, and mimic natural processes as is the permaculture ideal. Don't want to get into much detail right now, but I am interested. How large a piece of land would you like to have, and how many people living there, and who decides how many people go with each home on the place for example?
 
Apolonia Paulusse
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2.5 acres with well and permit to put mobile on for $35,000. Still need septic and pump and water barrel and mobile home then can put small storage structures on. There are several of this size lots for sale. Then legally you donot have to share one big property. Several smaller lots in close proximity for village, may be a good idea. 1 hour from SLO, between San Francisco and Los Angeles. I am looking for people to live and permaculture with me.

 
Reya K. Steele
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We are working on a similar vision as to what's been discussed.

We are a newly forming collective permaculture camp located in the Illinois River Valley of Southern Oregon in a vibrant community that is already implementing the changes we seek, and is ripe to become a leader in wide scale permaculture application. We are currently 7 adults and 4 children living unplugged and off grid on 160 acres of raw forest land. We do not have running water or any modern conveniences. We do have a well and are working to get a system in place to establish irrigation for growing our own food and solar showers, etc. We live simply and primitively and have thus far been laying the foundation for building our vision. We currently share dinners.

ABOUT CAMP RAINBOW
Camp Rainbow is a NEWLY DEVELOPING spirit-centered nature awareness and self reliance skills camp and research center for low-cost energy-efficient technologies that promote freedom and preserve natural resources for the next seven generations.

Please see our post seeking a Natural Building Coordinator to learn more: http://www.permies.com/t/37912/WWOOF-organic-farm-volunteers-interns/acre-Permaculture-Camp-Seeks-Natural.

Please visit our website at http://www.iloverainbowcamp.com/apply-for-collective.html to learn more about living and working with our collective.

Please visit the Trail of Food website at http://www.trailoffood.us to learn about the community food forest network we are involved in co-organizing with 9 other community groups, farms, and landowners in the Illinois River Valley of Southern, OR.
 
Kevin Villers
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Hello All,

My name is Kevin. I am an IT professional in NE OHIO with years of programming experience in Business Intelligence and I have also worked for myself for many years. I currently build motion racing simulators with my brother and father.

I have a profound interest in permaculture and have more plans and ideas than time allows given my career.
Ideally, I want to find the right people to work with and around. I could help to grow their existing operation with my IT and business knowledge and simultaneously help my family and I to live a simpler and more eco-ethical life.
I also have acquired a moderate amount of knowledge surrounding permaculture and homesteading over the past couple of years....and have put a small fraction of my theoretical knowlegde into practice. I have built several iterations of j tube rocket stoves, installed a rain collection system, used thermosyphoning in conjunction with rocket stoves, I garden organically and use my Nutribullet nearly religiously (dont judge until you try)
On the job market I typically make $100,000 + salary, but I am HIGHLY open to negotiation in order to achieve my goals. I really only require to sustain myself and family. I would love to exit the financial system as much as is possible...unless it is to do business with ethical purpose.

I am 31, very able bodied / minded, willing to do the hard work on the land, and very enthusiastic abut it all.

I am well versed in designing applications that help a business run more efficiently wether the business is big or small. I also have a lot of experience with sales & marketing, search engine optimization, and all other major facets of running a modern business.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please pm me if you are interested in collaborating in anyway. I really can hardly wait to meet the right people.
 
Daniel Palacios
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I have changed my intentions. It seems that people are still possessive of land and this country is governed by laws and it is just not a viable idea to think everyone can co-exist. So my current drive is more of going with the flow, going with cooperate america. I wish to partner in taking land and developing it into a farm/homestead, small acreage farms with sustainable ways. This is a for profit endeavor, to gain equity to start developing larger projects with eco communities. Small acre farms with huge yields! Like some ^^ said small lots with lots of food.
 
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Daniel Palacios wrote:I have changed my intentions. It seems that people are still possessive of land and this country is governed by laws and it is just not a viable idea to think everyone can co-exist. So my current drive is more of going with the flow, going with cooperate america. I wish to partner in taking land and developing it into a farm/homestead, small acreage farms with sustainable ways. This is a for profit endeavor, to gain equity to start developing larger projects with eco communities. Small acre farms with huge yields! Like some ^^ said small lots with lots of food.


i know, its sad, it seems so simple and seems it should be - get some good folks together and help each other, have a good balance of autonomy and community, and grow a lot of food to share. but my experiences in community have shown me over and over and over again that it just doesnt work out great in this time and place because of how badly we are taught the memes of dominator culture, how expensive and difficult it is for people to get a room of one's own and a place together, and how this doesnt help with peoples willingness to share in a way that is good for all involved. plus all the control trips and everyone running interference on each other. it seems we all want for similar things, or maybe i am very wrong here, but i just mean the basic things of some autonomy and some community, to be to do things without having everyone run interference and some private space and time to be able to be as we see fit, not conform to others expectation. i tried for so long to find a good community and tried and tried to make it work and failed and had all sorts of weird unneccessary drama and weirdness, o well.

these days i am still involved in and sort of vaguely on the look out for something, some kind of land share, not community and everyone too close to each other, more like a neighborhood with more sharing. it seems most people need some more maturing and willingness to let go of their control trips to be able to live in any kind of joint sharing endevour, and much as people talk like they could be that way, when it comes to it it seems quite rare to meet many people who are really good at living together with other people in anything close to a community.

"going with cooperate america"
...i'm thinking this is an unintentional punny =)
 
Ellen Schwab
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I see so much about people not being willing to let go of control . . . but . . . why would anyone who has sacrificed and worked and earned some land be willing to just let it go?

Knowing how hard it was to acquire . . . gives a certain amount of life experience and "rights".

I know several older people who are willing to share and boost the next generation. But, of course, that comes with certain expectations. We all go into relationships with expectations. We go to school, take jobs, get engaged . . . all with expectations. Matching up the expectations does not seem like it should be so hard. Several older farmers are looking for someone to grow food, take care of animals, take care of the land . . . create a wage . . . and all of them tell me they can not find young partners who are willing to make the commitment and work hard.

I really don't understand why there is such a dichotomy of perceptions.
 
Daniel Palacios
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Ellen i understand where you are coming from. But who are we to say we own any land to begin with? We are pioneers in this life, on the journey back home. This land was once owned by no one and shared by man, creature, mushroom, and plant similarly. It is an egocentric idea that man owns land and trees and water when in fact we will part with all this in the end. This type of thinking wont go far in todays western society, so we have to adapt to our environment.

I think I too would be willing to hold on and hold out if I spent my life getting what I got. But this is why i think if people work together things could be simple.

Me myself, I am willing to commit but not for a long time, I have a need to travel and to do other work. I want to get married some day, so I am still looking to work hard and "flip" a property or 2 before I settle down and plant the seeds that will grow for decades. I was a kitchen worker for a few years until I felt the need to learn to farm. I was able to up and move to another state and farm thanks to this website. I love growing plants and taking care of animals, and I enjoy the idea of farming but I don't intend to be a farmer my entire life. But I would love to do some farm work while I am young and able. All the while learning the trade and maybe acquiring some land to plant some trees for the future. Also another thing i see with young and old partners is one is on the back stretch and found purpose and most young people are still in search, and need other young people to help define their lives.

As to expectations, I am of the understanding that expectations leads to letdowns, and that leads to anger. But it is true we build expectations without being aware of it.


Instead of trying to hold on to something that fleeting, i want to create something something more modern, something more manageable.
 
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well i will step out and say some things, if this was even closely directed towards me for what i was just writing. i can only speak for myself and what i see, and i can only have the perceptions i have based on the experiences i have had. i have been involved in multiple community projects, artists co ops, co housing situations and work slave, or i mean work trade.

actually i have been in a few good work trade situations with people who are grateful and appreciative of the efforts of myself, i do work hard, probably too hard, and have worked very hard on others peoples land, with their priorities considered and not my own, and now as a somewhat older person have little to show for it, except a ton of skills and a different mindset than i once had about peoples general level of integrity.

it is true that people think that one should have to "earn" the right of land, that autonomy is an "earned" right....and that there is a right of private property that should only be given to the few.... sure many people as our dominating culture tells us, see it this way. and many people accept that some level of master/slave dynamics are fine, that if you own land you can use it to lord over others, hence "land lords". imo this is all really off balance. however i know we live here now, as is, with these paradigms, and that people dont usually get where i am coming from with this. regardless these ideas persist for me, as being very important, and being soo off and wrong its hard to know what to do about anything. these issues are much larger than us, and not something an individual can really do anything about. but the idea that people should be able to profit from land (by reselling, and the illusions of land values) is inherently wrong to me.

that things are difficult for people to be able to afford any land at all, with things as they are so off balanced, and with people so accustomed to seeing this off balance exploitive ways as being normal, it is hard to say what i know to be true. i just do not think it should be difficult for people to have land, that it is "earned" by any means which is fair or just. but it is this way, and we have to live here as is, so please dont misunderstand me.

my truth is it was all given to us for free, those rights are just illusions...if it is a right of people to be able to have land it should be a right given to all without having beg borrow or steal what is rightfully yours to begin with. the whole system surrounding private property and the exclusive use of property so that one should be able to do whatever one wants on their land without consideration of ALL of the life forms present, is a major problem. this is all imo, but if you saw what i saw, you would see how this is more real than so called "reality" and much more real than whatever "real" estate agents might think.

i strongly feel that peoples expectations and need for control are also major problems, that hold us back from working out more healthy dynamics.
 
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*edited for rambling on* apologies to the OP for derailing
 
Daniel Palacios
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i had not read your post before i posted, it just reveled itself. Yes im a bit punny but i am also serious, we live in a world where money is the current form of balance. AS MUCH AS IT MAY NOT SEEM SO. I believe we can return the concept of money back to its norm. People get in paper what they are offering. No more wall street. That being said my idea of buying and flipping land is not a way of control but rather offering a form of service. I wish to take this further and building small homesteads that are completely sustainable and pretty clean. This is not a new thought, i am simply ready to open talk about it. I want to be part of the off-grid movement by making action. Money is a form of showing someone had dedication to getting what they need. There is no handouts, none from me, as none were given. I intend to market a way of life. A way out of food insecurity. Down the road i hope to team with people to develop clean energy solutions. Food, Energy, Space. Its the market that frees the artist. Everyone has creativity, and everyone should explore it. I fear that i am all over the place with this message so I will attempt to sum it up by saying. I am firm in my intent. I intend to develop small property into a space for a small family(4) to provide their food needs. This will come at a cost. It is a market that will be in high demand as time passes. I see my target consumer around age 28-40 who are awake and want a way out. And leila, like you said, if only there was a way to have our space without someone in control. A way to share food in a community, not like an intentional community but like a development of homesteads. Bartering is a great way to reduce the use of cash and take control. Anyways i may be taking this in the wrong direction.

Lets get back to the title and lets get a group of people who are interested in developing land for small farming, homesteading, and off grid life. I am not looking to employ anyone. I am looking for people who have a demand for such a need;who have equity,land,or skills related to such topic. Energy projects above and beyond rocket stoves. Food Independence. Sustainable building. Eco design. THINK BIG, start small.
 
Kevin Villers
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This entire thread is very helpful to me personally. I think I may be a person able to help a small group of people to create a sustainable environment with my investment dollars rather than farm another's land. I have very clear goals regarding sustainability and setting an example for others. I want to create an eco-friendly space for myself and family. Maybe I am best a contributor to this cause by contributing my earnings rather than labor. I have limited funds and could hear from 1 small group, but please contact me if you think this could work.
 
Apolonia Paulusse
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There is a very succesful group in Alaska doing self sufficiency in the wilderness. Every day for an hour they are getting together and hearing each others feelings and thoughts. Plus great macrobiotic food and growing and building. They heal very sick people or better: very sick people heal in this program. I met one of the cooks and got their brochure. In winter they are all snowed in. They chose a simple life style in order to pay off the mortgage and now there is a waiting list to visit there. They inspire me in seeing what is needed for so many of us. Anyone? I am 1 hour west of San Luis Obispo on 2 and 1/2 acres. It is very quiet, free and there could be a lot of space to be creative and try things out.
 
Daniel Palacios
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Keven i think so too. There is an increasing number of young people getting involved with agriculture and permaculture. There is a website "wwoofing" that allows young adults to explore agriculture. I think it could work and it need people of all skills and backgrounds. Someone in IT can create a online network for trading fruit and other resources. Where are you located and what area are you interested in? I am currently in Virginia and will be in Florida for the fall/winter. Nomad or snow bird, what ever you call it

Apolonia, that sounds really good. I read about macrobiotic diet and i agree very much with it. I have cultured young coconut water and it was very healing for the gut. Also another drink i made is aloe juice for gut health. Also sounds like you enjoy your space. How is 2 1/2 acres for your family?
 
Daniel Palacios
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Apolonia, is there adjacent lots for sale where you are located?
 
Apolonia Paulusse
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Yes several are for sale $25000 or so depends if there is a well more some have fences but mostly land is bare (with the draught). I want to reforest like my friends who have a true forest with all different kind of trees, goats, chickens, 2 pigs. But cannot see anything of it when you walk by. Just summers hot !03, 110 120 degrees a few days. Night are nice. Just July and august. My friens jump in the pool 8 times a day or so and wear wet shawls. 1 hour from there is Quailsprings, permaculture school. Similar climate just higher. Pinion nuts farm there.Winters have cold nights sometimes in April still a night or 2. Then no apples, pears etc that year. This year no late frost. 5 years ago here in Ojai also frost in May. Bummer. We built a Wofati greenhouse and it saved our tender plants from 22 degrees frost.( 35 degrees inside) But the Valley is beautiful, very quiet, no people and one can see for 50 miles or so. Permits are needed for putting a house or mobile home on it ($12000) . Well and septic are required. Then you can put sheds and a motor home on it. San Luis Obispo is more than an hour away. Cheap land means salty water $5000 or less. 400 people community. Look it up: Real estate for sale at California Valley, Ca.
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For those interested in living elsewhere, there is land in many states for around $1500/acre sometimes less in areas where there is abundant clean water, good soil, lots of trees and decent weather. Think Oklahoma, Missouri, probably parts of Kentucky and no doubt many other places. In 1990 I bought land in central Texas for $570/acre that had 3 ponds on it and grew pasture amazingly well, but black dirt too heavy for growing food very well. Knowing what I know now, though, raised beds and permaculture would have worked. I sold it years ago when wealthy neighbors dumped toxic chemicals on their own place.

Land in SE Oklahoma often has wild pecans and berries, wet weather creeks, ponds, trees, good soil. Most I've looked at is around $1500 an acre and within an hour or so of a major city if you need to find work. There are several organic farms in this area and a coop to sell what you produce. www.oklahomafood.coop/ Water is close to the surface so finding or drilling a well is inexpensive compared to many places.
 
Apolonia Paulusse
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Any permies want to practice zone 8b California Valley. I would like to share the 2 and 1/2 acres of flatland with a good well.I want to permaculturize. You could build yourself a small adobe house. We live an hour from Quailsprings. They had an insulated dome with earthen floor .
 
Eric Tilton
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Hi Daniel and Kevin both! Yes. I looked at a similar task twenty years ago but found nobody was interested. I did it anyway. Would like to speak to each or both of you.
Pm me if you are still interested.
 
Peter Oakland
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Another old post that I wish was current! If any of you folks here are still pursuing this please message me!
 
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