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William Bronson
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Size matters, what size trees do you grow, for what reasons and how do you do it?
 
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William Bronson wrote: Size matters, what size trees do you grow, for what reasons and how do you do it?

William I grow dwarf trees to reach 12-15' max. Reason is we sell by upick so smaller trees are safer since we do not let members use ladders. How do we get trees to that size only? We use dwarfing rootstock m-26 for apples and train pears and plums to limit their size.
 
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Stefan how do you train the pears? I have seen videos on pruning plums to keep them at 6-8 feet tall and may try that on some of my ones closer to the house that I intend to harvest for our use. Most standard mature pear trees I know of are in the 30 foot range or more. What are your opinions on the new dwarfing pear rootstocks?
 
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Paul,
In the video he shows a way of training by bending the branches to below horizontal. This stimulates fruit production and limits vegetative growth.
He does the same with the tops of the pear trees to limit their height.
 
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Cool. I knew he did that with the normally smaller trees. It is interesting that it works with pears. Does he cut off the central leader and just bend down the laterals? Hopefully US Snail will bring my DVD soon.
 
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I believe he just bends it down
 
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Paul Ewing wrote:Stefan how do you train the pears? I have seen videos on pruning plums to keep them at 6-8 feet tall and may try that on some of my ones closer to the house that I intend to harvest for our use. Most standard mature pear trees I know of are in the 30 foot range or more. What are your opinions on the new dwarfing pear rootstocks?

Paul I learned AFTER starting to train all my fruit in this technique that pears respond differently. DO NOT train them BELOW horizontal but only TO HORIZONTAL. I was very fortunate to learn from the lead author in 2009 his techniques and also very fortunate to host the 2nd author at our orchard for a special one day course on Biodiversity in the orchard. Here's the book that started it all: http://www.amazon.fr/De-taille-conduite-arbres-fruitiers/dp/2812602287
 
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Rj Ewing wrote:Paul,
In the video he shows a way of training by bending the branches to below horizontal. This stimulates fruit production and limits vegetative growth.
He does the same with the tops of the pear trees to limit their height.

Yes RJ I do that for the top only on pears. Branches to horizontal only.
 
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Stefan Sobkowiak wrote:
Paul Ewing wrote:Stefan how do you train the pears? I have seen videos on pruning plums to keep them at 6-8 feet tall and may try that on some of my ones closer to the house that I intend to harvest for our use. Most standard mature pear trees I know of are in the 30 foot range or more. What are your opinions on the new dwarfing pear rootstocks?

Paul I learned AFTER starting to train all my fruit in this technique that pears respond differently. DO NOT train them BELOW horizontal but only TO HORIZONTAL. I was very fortunate to learn from the lead author in 2009 his techniques and also very fortunate to host the 2nd author at our orchard for a special one day course on Biodiversity in the orchard. Here's the book that started it all: http://www.amazon.fr/De-taille-conduite-arbres-fruitiers/dp/2812602287


Unfortunately my French is pretty poor. I could stumble my way around Montreal when I was on a project there, but there is no way I could get through a technical book. I did notice that the US Amazon has this book by the same authors http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Fruit-Trees-Successful-Management/dp/0393732568 Do you think that it might be useful to someone doing a small 5-10 acre orchard?
 
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Paul Ewing wrote:
Stefan Sobkowiak wrote:
Paul Ewing wrote:Stefan how do you train the pears? I have seen videos on pruning plums to keep them at 6-8 feet tall and may try that on some of my ones closer to the house that I intend to harvest for our use. Most standard mature pear trees I know of are in the 30 foot range or more. What are your opinions on the new dwarfing pear rootstocks?

Paul I learned AFTER starting to train all my fruit in this technique that pears respond differently. DO NOT train them BELOW horizontal but only TO HORIZONTAL. I was very fortunate to learn from the lead author in 2009 his techniques and also very fortunate to host the 2nd author at our orchard for a special one day course on Biodiversity in the orchard. Here's the book that started it all: http://www.amazon.fr/De-taille-conduite-arbres-fruitiers/dp/2812602287


Unfortunately my French is pretty poor. I could stumble my way around Montreal when I was on a project there, but there is no way I could get through a technical book. I did notice that the US Amazon has this book by the same authors http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Fruit-Trees-Successful-Management/dp/0393732568 Do you think that it might be useful to someone doing a small 5-10 acre orchard?

The link to the book is fantastic. I didn't realize it was translated. Yes it will certainly become a classic. The info is superb.
 
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