I got a bit overly excited when responding to a reddit post

I was reading this post on reddit when I read this reply from no_inside_voice, followed by Rogue369's reply. This lead to me getting annoyed and posting this. This was a perfect example of:


but I tried to put out a less angry more sourced comment here

I was just wondering what people would think of the last comment? Was I out of line or off base?

I've been a bee keeper for 43 days and I've noticed the "natural bee keepers" and the conventional ones can get a bit combative. The other side feels threatened and doesn't want to have a conversation. On another forum it became clear that any "natural" approach was going to get slapped down so I wont be posting about bees on that site anytime soon.

That's why Paul set up permies. No need to argue with people who think we need pesticides and herbicides to feed the world. Enjoy the positive atmosphere here and don't get sucked into the negativity there.

Cj Verde wrote:I've been a bee keeper for 43 days and I've noticed the "natural bee keepers" and the conventional ones can get a bit combative. The other side feels threatened and doesn't want to have a conversation. On another forum it became clear that any "natural" approach was going to get slapped down so I wont be posting about bees on that site anytime soon.

That's why Paul set up permies. No need to argue with people who think we need pesticides and herbicides to feed the world. Enjoy the positive atmosphere here and don't get sucked into the negativity there.

What is the difference between natural and conventional bee-keeping?

I do enjoy the positive atmosphere here, however (and perhaps I'm on a fruitless course) I feel like we can't give up public opinion to the corporate shills. If we can come up with a hand full of studies that we know well which prove what we're saying, combating the shills shouldn't be too hard.

I agree with you though. It's why I made this...

really nice meme, caleb! if you want, you could add it to the MEME FACTORY that was begun by Dave Burton....that thread is for the final memes . he has a thread begun for photo submissions and also one for submissions....as a stop to see if they need work, spelling corrections, etc. the links are all in the "meme factory" thread.

Judith Browning wrote:really nice meme, caleb! if you want, you could add it to the MEME FACTORY that was begun by Dave Burton....that thread is for the final memes . he has a thread begun for photo submissions and also one for submissions....as a stop to see if they need work, spelling corrections, etc. the links are all in the "meme factory" thread.

Thanks. I was just playing around. I don't think we could use that image because I don't own it, but if someone has a fantastic photo that's similar which they're willing to let me use, I could always recreate this.

Although, now that I'm doing an image search, there's a bunch of generic wallpaper sites that are using the same image. I'm not sure if it's public domain or if it was just stollen and replicated over the internet...

You can use any of the photos submitted to meme factory photo submissions and then when you have completed one or more memes post them in the meme factory submissions thread. we need more folks participating:)

Judith Browning wrote:You can use any of the photos submitted to meme factory photo submissions and then when you have completed one or more memes post them in the meme factory submissions thread. we need more folks participating:)

Done and submitted.

Caleb Skinns wrote:
What is the difference between natural and conventional bee-keeping?

Conventional bee keeping tends to be very hands on, lots of manipulated frames, re-queening every year, treatments every year, feeding sugar syrup, plastic or bought wax foundation instead of letting the bees make all the comb. And usually Langstroth hives.

You can do "natural" bee-keeping with a Langstroth but I think lots of people do TopBar, Warre, or Perone hives.

Wikipedia has a pretty good description of them all here.

I check on my bees all the time but there really isn't anything for me to do except hope they make it thru the winter and maybe collect honey in a year or so.

Caleb Skinns wrote:I was reading this post on reddit when I read this reply from no_inside_voice, followed by Rogue369's reply.  This lead to me getting annoyed and posting this.  This was a perfect example of:

but I tried to put out a less angry more sourced comment here

I was just wondering what people would think of the last comment?  Was I out of line or off base?

This. All of this.
I could swear you are me. Really. I've had my husband send me this meme, refer to it, use it as a joke, and just give up and wander away. ( I love XKCD. Have at least one book, somewhere.)

It's 11 at night. I have to get up in 5 hours. My neurologist gets mad at me if I don't sleep 9 hours a night.
I have no idea what your conversation was about, or what the thread ran. It doesn't matter.

Someone crossed you. It was worse than having a different opinion. They actively chose to Not Be Right and used faulty data, bad logic, and made a massive error in judgment. AND THEN refused to change their mind.
They argued.
Yep. I have a twin out there - well, someone who thinks the same way I do when I run across those poor deluded fools who dare to doubt my facts and experience.
Someone was wrong on the Internet and, by Grabthar's Hammer, I will fix this cosmic error or fall asleep trying.

I'll look at the ancient argument tomorrow. After I've had *some* sleep.

Cj Sloane wrote:I've been a bee keeper for 43 days and I've noticed the "natural bee keepers" and the conventional ones can get a bit combative. The other side feels threatened and doesn't want to have a conversation. On another forum it became clear that any "natural" approach was going to get slapped down so I wont be posting about bees on that site anytime soon.

That's why Paul set up permies. No need to argue with people who think we need pesticides and herbicides to feed the world. Enjoy the positive atmosphere here and don't get sucked into the negativity there.

WOW! I must have hit the same site as you! Some dude came out swinging because I answered a post, my first time on there. And the same dude came after me because I posted a note about how a Horizontal Hive would be much easier, in particular for older people - due to very little heavy lifting. I guess it takes all kinds!