Judith Browning wrote:Hi, Deb....we own five acres that has a 'self survey'. My husband and the land owner did the survey with a steel tape and a compass...they found out from the county clerks office what was expected in this county and followed those guidelines. This was thirty five years ago. The land description was transferred to a deed and all is well. the shape is very odd more of a parallelogram There are details that you need to know in order to get the correct readings with the compass...they did not stake or blaze just used the original surveyed line along one side a bluff line with rock shelters on another and a creek bed along a third...the fourth was up a mountain side....they measured trees,etc. as part of the description....all very steep and rocky terrain but doable.We have a legal deed, pay land taxes, etc.
We did this again on the forty acres we are on now in order to sell a bit of it and my husband got as far as doing another 'self survey' on a six acre corner that had some natural bounderies...two sides original survey lines and two sides driveway and right of way roads. The survey was mainly to determine the acreage and in the end we decided to sell the whole forty.
We would buy a self surveyed piece IF we knew the owner or had some kind of confidence in their trustworthiness.
I could post more information if you are interested....I don't know if Missouri looks at this the same as Arkansas.
Our survey for this forty was done the the last time in the early seventies with chain measurements when an original 80 acre homestead was split in half...some are insisting that laser is the only way to go now but it is also screwing up some decades old boundary lines in some areas....
chip sanft wrote:We bought our 18 acres without a survey, which would have been too expensive, and without discernible markers except fences. We did have the plat map to refer to in addition to the legal description, so it had been surveyed at some point.
In our case it works because of the fence around most of it and the unfenced area having a nice woody area that isn't useful except as a buffer. So we don't care and they don't care and there's space enough that unclarity isn't an issue.
I think, though, this kind of arrangement depends on various things. Because if you or your new neighbors want to go right up to the property line, it could get tricky. Or if, for example, they decide they want to plow a section and cross over into what you think is your area. Or if, worse yet, they want to use pesticides or herbicides and it's on what you think is your land.
I'd also keep in mind that it's not just the people who buy the parcel but the people they might sell or transfer to. So I wouldn't depend on choosing good buyers.
Finally, if you decide to do this, it I think you might consider putting a fence along what you think is the line. That can be a good way to establish a status quo that only a really determined pain in the butt would want to challenge later on.
That's why, this time, we intend to cover that contingency by selling the land with a conservation easement on it, preserving it as a single-family residence with certain land-use restrictions, so even if we don't like the potential future neighbors, they can't destroy the place or put up a trailer court on it.
That brings up another question I meant to ask. How do you (anyone here, I mean) feel about buying land with a conservation easement on it? We don't intend it to be super restrictive, just want to keep developers away who might think it would be a great place for condos or trailers on tiny lots. So far this area is only zoned for residential homes and farms, but that could change and we want to be ready for it.
Deb, i don't know what is involved....do you hold the conservation easement or some third party? I am interested in doing that for this land. The landowner sets the guidelines within limits, I guess....but do they actually have control forever?
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