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Killing pigs without a gun?

 
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Bryant RedHawk wrote:Using even a 22 mag can send skull fragments into the meat of the hog thus ruining the shoulders and other parts. A 22 Long Rifle is all that is needed.

Larger calibers will push many bone fragments into the hogs shoulders and chest areas, making a mess of your carcass.

The only time to use larger than a 22 LR is if you are hunting wild, feral hogs. In which case you want to drop them fast because a wounded hog is quite dangerous.

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Thanks, I was asking those calibers because it is what I can borrow from my family.
 
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I prefer to use one of my 22 LR rifles, no scope needed. I also have 22 cal. pistols but they are actually harder to get a good shot with since you need to be fairly close to the animal and that tends to make them turn away. That doesn't happen with the rifle.
You should be able to find one in a pawn shop for little money, even a single shot type will work just fine.

I've seen some in pawn shops for under 50 dollars that would be great hog harvesting rifles.

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Buff. In not all the countries it's so easy to own/find a firearm, here in Catalonia (Spain at the moment) is imposible to find a firearm on a pawn shop. I don't have a gun license, but licenses are hard to get, shotgun is the easiest (you can own a 12 caliber shotgun much easier than a 22 rifle, but you still need to do a psychological exam and justify that you own a hunting license, and have an interview with the police)... A handgun is almost imposible, you have to be a member of the police or have your life treatened in order to be able to legally own a handgun. That's the reason that I was asking for those calibers. I was wondering the 20 shotgun with birdshot... If the moment arrive, maybe I give it a try before with a piece of meat with bones, and I feed it to the dogs. Many thanks for he answer, though.
 
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Your best bet in that case is to give it some really tasty food and using a very sharp, long knife, stick it under the jowl and cut the carotid artery to bleed it out quickly. Once you stick it you will want to move away a little so the hooves don't get you.
 
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Hello mate, I am from Portugal. We have been killing pigs at home for several generations now and I can tell you a little bit on how we do it. First and I know this can be savage to think these days but we never stun the pig. When you stun the pig won't bleed so fast. Second, we bleed the pig because we use the blood for salames. We need the blood to be fresh. We kill pigswhen they are about 200kg's ( alive weight). Here is how it goes. The owner puts a small and thin rope tight around the pigs nose and attached to the front teeth of the animal. This rope will later be useful to pull the head back before the knife goes in. Another rope is tight to one of the animal back leg, this rope is around 3 meters and 1 cm diameter. We attack the pig to where we want to do the job, this is usually done by feeding him corn all the way. 4 men pick up the pig and lay him on his side on a bench. This is the point where the animal senses that something is wrong and starts to battle. Quickly the rope that is on his back leg is tighten around the bench and holding his back legs ( the legs can not be loose as they can really hurt a man). The guy that has the small rope attached to his nose stretches hard and holds the head( again this needs to be done well or than can bite or even spread the blood all around everyone). The other two man come on the back side of the pig and lay down on his body, one of them holds the front leg of the pig bending the elbow so it won't get on the way of the knife or blood. The fifth man comes then and does the kill. All these steps on the bench don't take more than a minute if all man know their positions and what they should be doing. If the blade hits the artery first time 3 or four minutes later the pig is dead. To all people that will read this and think that we are savages please don't. We just like to know what we eat and believe me the pig is very well treated in his life and usually lives a full year eating what he wants and moving around where he wants. I would defenately say that we give him a much better life than any slaughter house. Back to the pig, when the killing is done and the pig cleaned we leave the meat ganged until next day for all the blood to come out and we party for the rest of the day. You all take care and please own what you eat.
 
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Use a bolt gun.
 
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Pedro's method seems much more humane that the traumatic experience I had like 35 years ago watching those idiots chasing those hogs around.
 
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I slaughtered 3 pigs this year in January, May and June.

My farm is in Kerala in South India. The one in January was the first I slaughtered a pig in the farm. It was a sow about 18 months old weighing 140 kg. I had no clue on how to go about it. We have a chicken meat shop near my place. There is an old guy who kills and dresses the chicken, his name is Thampan. He said he would come and slaughter the pigs, that he had prior experience as a butcher in another farm. In my area, meat slaughter is in the un-organised and non-regulated sector. There is little interference from local government bodies.  I assumed he would stun it with a blow on the head and then bleed it out as described in the posts. He surprised me by saying that he would strangle it. Now, I had never seen any such reference in the internet. But he was so confident and that he had slaughtered many such pigs this way.

Anyway on the D-day, he stepped into the pen at 4 am in the morning and managed to snag a rope hitch on the sow's teeth and tie it to a railing so that it could not run around. Then he tried to tie its legs together, but the rope kept slipping off. The pig started squealing and pulling away at the rope with all it's might. He then looped a plastic rope around it's neck and with his assistant at one end and he at another end, a third guy at the end of the rope snagged to it's mouth, all of them hauling away mightily and the pig creating a ruckus that was heard 2 miles away.  At one stage I also pitched in and there were five men tugging away at different ropes. But the rope at the neck would not tighten beyond a point.  It was a surreal scene. Finally I asked him to hit it on the head with the back of an ax. And that's how we managed to kill it. It was a bad and sickening way to kill the sow and an extremely depressing. We had brought up the pig in good comfort and feed, but I regret the extreme pain and stress we put it through.

Later in, I came to know that Thampan, in his previous experience, would have pigs trussed up and delivered to him in a supine position. They were smaller pigs. This was the first big pig he had to handle.

By the time of the 2nd slaughter in May, I realized that I had to come up with a better way. Guns are not easily available in Kerala and procuring a gun or license is a project in itself. Bolt guns are not available. I came to know of an electric stunner, but was not cost effective.  I built a frame made of GI pipe where the boar could come and stand inside a frame. Once he is in in, I had iron pipes to stop the movement forward and backward, essentially pinning him in place. By placing his feed in the frame we trained him to come and stand in the frame while feeding. We electrocuted him by tying an aluminum cable around his body in a single loop, connecting it to a power source and switching on the current for about 10 seconds. We hosed him down with water before switching on the power. He dropped down without a sound and was dead in 10 second. Thampan bled him out immediately. It seemed the least painless way to take him down.

The third pig was slaughtered last week in the same way. But we made a mistake. We forgot to hose the sow with water. As a result, it did not get electrocuted, but squealed and wiggled it's way out of the aluminum cable and the frame. After some time, we managed to calm it down sufficiently for the next attempt. This time we hosed it with water and it worked. It squealed hard for about 5 seconds before dying. Our negligence in making it wet before the electrocution caused it pain, stress and panic. Lessons learnt the hard way for the pig.
 
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For the close range gun folks, be sure to clean your gun well shortly after dispatching the pig.  The blood spray is very corrosive.
 
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robert  e morgan wrote:dont try to shoot a pig with anything like a 22 short or subsonic or a cb cap!!  a 22mgnum will always do the job.



Magnum is the better choice but LR, even subsonic hollow point, worked fine on smaller pigs for me a few times.
 
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Have you seen Apocalypse Now? Might be an option, after some practice...

(In case you didn't: they're slaughtering a water buffalo with a machete - back of the head, decapitating it)
 
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A sledge hammer works well for cattle. Larger pigs are more challenging. I use a captive bolt device now.
 
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