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Time to comment to stop the pipeline from going through a national forest

 
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OK, The time is now to send letters to the National Forest service to stop the pipeline from entering the forest

Here's a link with details of how to send http://www.friendsofbuckinghamva.org/?p=750#comment-218 a sample letter and more details

Fighting these pipelines is always an uphill battle, especially when the only people who have legitimate input over local intrusions are grossly outnumbered by pipeline money. In this case however they are attempting to install a monster pipeline and bisect the George Washington National Forest with a continuous clearcut. some of the issues are water supply, erosion, invasive species, endangered species, progression of forest to climax

This an opportunity for everyone in the country to protest the trashing of a national treasure. comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us This is the email address you can address it to Supervisor Speaks re: the Atlantic Coast Pipeline survey proposal

Please, take the time to comment, drop an email tell your friends. The pipeline doesn't just represent gas transmission, it encourages the fracking frenzy and this intrusion really sets the stage for a full scale onslaught into the foirest with fracking and even worse devastation

Currently there are outstanding oil and gas leases in private hands, but these leases are not profitable for fracking at this time.

having easy access to a transmission line could turn unprofitable ventures into profitable ones and the forest could ultimately be left in ruins, especially since these leases are widely scattered throughout the forest and could totally destroy the continuity of a climax forest

not to mention degradation of major water supplies

anyway, if you see this and have a minute, please drop a line to stop this,, thanks
 
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Bob : In an earlier post- You mentioned a region of very unstable Karst Rock formations that would be very hard to run a pipeline through, is this being followed up on?

This would seem to be a region where separate talks would need to be held ? Big AL !
 
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Yes, karst is not big in our county, but all through nelson right into the forest Karst is a large part of the geologic structure, the whole area is famous for caves made from dissolving the limestone and leaving a swiss cheese type structure.. . There is a certainty that they will be running the pipeline through these unstable karst formations, and a high probability that the earth is going to move under the pipeline structure both while under construction and later. Nelson and others are hammering them on this problem with the pipeline route.

It's easy to get carried away with the worst scenario where the pipeline splits when one of these structures collapses as sinkholes open up, and 17 miles between shutoffs is a hell of a lot of gas coming out a 1400 lbs/in 42" dia pipeline and all it takes is an ignition source, that corridor could end up 100 miles wide if something like that happened--depending on the season

more likely would be smaller, cracks, quietly poisoning ground water and the ecosystem.
 
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Hey Big AL,

here's a nice link on karst http://www.researchgate.net/publication/242387266_A_Karst_Resource_Inventory_of_the_George_Washington_and_Jefferson_National_Forests

don't know if you've seen it yet, it wasn't written with the pipeline in mind, but reading it is an amazing critical account of why putting the pipe through this area is a real hazard to one of the natural wonders of the forest. They talk about creating a whole development plan to protect and utilize it. note the title --resource inventory --just imagine the explosives in an area riddled with caves and sinkholes and underground streams, and how that will disrupt the natural systems that have evolved over time.

comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us that's a repeat of the address to write to to stop the pipeline from entering the forest
 
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Hey Big Al, i just saw this from New York http://www.nofrackingway.us/2014/12/05/gas-pipeline-threatens-landowners-with-condemnation /

how far is this from where you are

you didn't get a letter did you

by the way, congrats on Gov Cuomo,, what a man's man-- it's about time somebody stopped the fracking-- the problem is, as long as that gas is worth something there will be poachers trying to get it

I saw the other day where an eco system brought a lawsuit against a big company that wanted to dump frack water in a stream--an eco system, when i find it i'll put up a separate post.

By the way anybody else reading here, save the George Washington National Forest, send in those comments
comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us
 
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Well, clock is counting down, three days left to send comments to the national forest

I have to admit being torn, posting this here, i know the purpose of the site is to create positive alternatives, and this seems to be fighting bad guys, still, it also could be considered like building a fire break for a homestead, or any one of many actions we take where we do a positive action to avoid A NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCE FROM INACTION


The George Washington National Forest is directly in the route of the pipeline, and is a choke point where a whole lot of national focus could stop the project dead in its tracks.

Aside from our own interest in stopping the pipeline, this project might have the potential to increase fracking opportunities in the forest itself (ANOTHER NEGATIVE IMPACT FROM DOING NOTHING)

If you have connections you can use that might reach a number of people who would write a brief email to the forest service in opposition to the survey request, it might make a whole lot of difference. (ask them to write their friends too)
www.friendsofbuckingham.org for more info

(jan 9th is cutoff date)


Comments may be submitted by:

Email: comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us

FAX: (540) 265-5145

Mail or Hand Deliver:

USDA Forest Service

Atlantic Coast Pipeline Survey Comments

5162 Valleypointe Parkway

Roanoke, VA 24019

 
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Slightly off-topic, but comments on various USA government activities (e.g. bills, proposals, ideas) can be submitted at Regulations.gov.
 
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Hi Dave, i was looking at that site, and it was very useful, and i've bookmarked it

I was looking at the section on whether comments matter, and that was quite interesting, and many processes are determined by public input. That is what i think is going on here, only i already have the name and address of the appropriate agency to send the comment to, so i'm not sure if that is necessary for this process, although i do want to go back there and see if this comes up on their radar and what it's description of this particular process might be.

seems like government agencies are notorious for not talking to each other and not keeping their stories straight.

anyway, i'll repeat that info for anyone just tuning in here at countdown central, and thanks to anyone that has a moment to write a quick email about preserving the national forests for our childrens children



The George Washington National Forest is directly in the route of the pipeline, and is a choke point where a whole lot of national focus could stop the project dead in its tracks.

Aside from our own interest in stopping the pipeline, this project might have the potential to increase fracking opportunities in the forest itself (ANOTHER NEGATIVE IMPACT FROM DOING NOTHING)

If you have connections you can use that might reach a number of people who would write a brief email to the forest service in opposition to the survey request, it might make a whole lot of difference. (ask them to write their friends too)
www.friendsofbuckingham.org for more info

(jan 9th is cutoff date)


Comments may be submitted by:

Email: comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us

FAX: (540) 265-5145

Mail or Hand Deliver:

USDA Forest Service

Atlantic Coast Pipeline Survey Comments

5162 Valleypointe Parkway

Roanoke, VA 24019
 
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This is too funny, or else i'm just around the bend in what amuses me anymore.

Not sure exactly what to make of it, but the forest has extended the comment period by two weeks-- are they really expecting a flood of emails, and don't want to have to cave into all that pressure from big gas

and at that point i start laughing even more thinking about the karst geology (cave in) and of course the obvious potty humor of big gas

anyway, the new deadline is Jan 23. Just when i was hoping to disengage from this stuff for a while they string me along a little farther.



Anyway, when you write mention The Atlantic Coast Pipeline and denying the right to survey the forests.
JoBeth Brown

Public Affairs Officer

George Washington and Jefferson National Forests

5162 Valleypointe Parkway

Roanoke, VA 24019

(540) 265 – 5102

jobethbrown@fs.fed.us

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Email: comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us

FAX: (540) 265-5145

Mail or Hand Deliver:

USDA Forest Service

Atlantic Coast Pipeline Survey Comments

5162 Valleypointe Parkway

Roanoke, VA 24019
 
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Bob I has sent in one comment already but just to be clear- what did you mean about not surveying the forests ! Big AL?
 
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This comment period is whether to allow Dominion the right to survey the forest for the best route through. Of course if the pipeline is not permitted to go through any which way, then there is no need to survey,, so the survey for all practical purposes is like helping to close the deal.

I don't know if there will be another comment period after they choose a route, but the quickest, easiest , best possibility is to just keep them the heck out of the forest altogether.

No survey, no pipeline.
 
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