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Camping out by myself does seem like a solid plan, thanks for the idea Mike.
Hopefully you're right that you'll all be over it in three days or so. I will keep my bags packed and be ready to leave on short notice when I hear all of you are recovered. Hopefully a federal quarantine will not be in place by then!
I think that's the safest plan of action right now considering how likely you believe it is to be coronavirus.
 
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Update:  everybody is feeling (and looking) better today.  We're not out of the woods yet, but things might be back to normal in two days.  
 
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We talked today about being better in a few days (or weeks?) and what will be our policy in regards to coronavirus.   We decided to open our doors because it will have come and gone.  People coming here with it won't be a danger to us.  People coming here that don't have it will not get it from us.

But the first step is that we need to get all better.   More news when we're ready.
 
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I'm glad to hear you guys are on the mend. Unfortunately, Michigan isn't fairing so well, we've been placed on a three week quarantine. I think it's best I respect that and not travel until it's lifted, so I guess I'll wait three weeks and reassess. On the bright side, that should give all of you time to recover fully.
 
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Everybody is doing better today.  Not all better.   We talked and we are prepared to say that we are "80% better."   This stuff is persistent.  

We are guessing that we will all be back to normal in two or three days.  Maybe even tomorrow.  
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Everybody is doing better today.  Not all better.   We talked and we are prepared to say that we are "80% better."   This stuff is persistent.  

We are guessing that we will all be back to normal in two or three days.  Maybe even tomorrow.  



Paul, could you or the other provide a more detailed timeline of symptoms, temperatures, etc over the last few weeks? It could be useful for everyone trying to make sense of all this.

Also, has anyone revisited getting tested? They are saying more tests are being deployed.
 
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I feel like I shared a lot of details here.

Overall, I now think the tests are stupid.  If 1000 people have a match for the symptoms, clearly they have something.   And if we only test 50 and out of those 50 only 3 people are positive, then I think that is pretty fucked up.   1000 people are sick but we say only 3 people have coronavirus?   I think there is too much politics and the test is too limiting.  

We have six people and six stories.  And the symptoms match.  

We have all talked about probabilities, and maybes and what ifs for far, far, far, far, far, far too long.  Gack.  We're moving on.  We believe that we had coronavirus and that we are now immune.   And within a few days, there will be no more coronavirus here.  

If somebody wants to come here, we're cool with that.   Right now, people are still going to grocery stores and all sorts of stuff.  I think that if people come here, there will be a 90% reduction of spreading coronavirus.  So it is better to come here than continue to interact wherever you are.

Oh yes, there is about 5000 hours of discussion that can happen at this point, complete with new data to consider with each passing hour.  I'm going to leave all that discussion to people that are still interested in having that discussion.   We have made our decision.  

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The test for coronavirus has a large percentage of false negatives. Something like 30%-50%. There are people at the hospital on ventilators and all the same symptoms, and they are "negative." So, it seems plausible that with the people at Wheaton Labs all having coughs, shortness of breath, and all their other icky symptoms, that they got it.
 
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We have six people and six stories.  And the symptoms match



I read the thread but saw scant detailed description of symptoms you all were/are experiencing, specifically did anyone experience and for how long a “persistent dry cough”, high fevers or the “loss of sense of taste or smell” that are known to be symptoms specific to the covid-19 virus. If by what you mean is that six people in close quarters share the same symptoms of an illness is not at all unusual. They say an easy swab test that can reveal exposure to the virus will become available through folks primary physicians that can give results in 15 minutes will be available soon so that anyone believe it they had “the” virus, as opposed to a different virus will be able to know for sure.
 
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Fred had it the worst.  Lots and lots of dry cough.  Fevers coming and going for fred, josiah and jennifer.   Those three plus me experiencing shortness of breath and trying to actively breathe more.  

As I said.  We have been over it and over it and over it for dozens of hours.   Unless you seriously think we are far too stupid to draw a decent conclusion, and you are a physician with expertise in this space, then ... I have pointed out that I am very done talking about symptoms and what ifs and the like.  We are excited to be getting back into the projects.

James, are you considering coming to the bootcamp in the next two weeks?
 
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No, not going anywhere soon. But thanks for the additional info, sometimes in these threads it can get difficult to follow details and I saw no mention of cough on the recent pages. Glad you all are getting better!
 
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