Man, I'm annoyed, please don't read any further if that's going to make you sad.
I was informed, very nicely, today that any discussion regarding climate change had to be within the cider press rather than the main forums , even though I didn't really discuss anything, I only quoted something
This is about science. Which is mostly a good thing although I will add this quote which I think is an important caveat:
...scientific inquiry [is] prone to the eternal rules of human social life: deference to the charismatic, herding towards majority opinion, punishment for deviance, and intense discomfort with admitting to error.
ian leslie the guardian 7 april 2016
Dealing with such a major issue as climate change by pushing it into a corner doesn't serve anybody but the tin foil hat brigade* so yeah, it's probably going to cost me my apples, and my pie and will probably lead to me getting kicked off the site, because Paul has made it clear, his party his rules, but some things are too important to be shoved into the shadows.
*The notion of wearing headgear for such protection has become a popular stereotype and byword for paranoia, persecutory delusions, and belief in pseudo science and conspiracy theories. (wikipedia)
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I think most of us here know which way is up, and don't need to have it explained that pushing our heads deeper into the sand isn't gonna get us to the sky. I live in the middle of a bastion of climate change deniers and get tired of listening to them, myself. Of course, I may be completely misunderstanding Paul's reasons, but that's the benefit I see from this.
Me, I'm really glad the climate change discussions are restricted to the cider press.
Only people with enough apples (apples are earned by posting helpful and insightful posts) are allowed to post here. This keeps out some of the less... um... hmm... permaculture minded individuals.
Everyone who regularly participates in this forum already knows that climate change is happening. It's one of our great motivators for improving the land and our lives. Talking about it outside the cider press, leaves the conversation open to climate change deniers and people who ... let's face it, it's possible that there are people in the world who have motivations that are not congruent with permaculture values. Those kinds of people often have problems earning the required number of apples that prove they know how to be nice.
Another thing I like about the cider press is that it contains many of the more heated discussions, leaving the main forums to investigating and discovering ways we can make the world a better place without getting focused on the problem. I see the main forums as being solution focused, and the cider press forums as a place we can talk about problems.
Those who want to hash out problems come to the cider press. Those who already know the problems are here, they skip the cider press and focus on the main forums. Then there are people like me who are just gluttons for punishment.
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posted 4 years ago
I was informed, very nicely, today that any discussion regarding climate change had to be within the cider press
I think that that was a gentle reminder to that whole particular thread about venturing into climate change territory. That doesn't mean there is any 'denial' about it with many here...just that it is a hot topic and needs to be discussed in the cider press. Many of us are looking for solutions and moving forward past the discussion of whether the climate is changing (I personally have no doubts....no need to convince me)
There are a number of subjects that fall into this area...where many just want to get on with some good solutions to the problem.
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