Anyways, I have big dreams and plans for it.
Roberto pokachinni wrote:Whew, dude. that is a very long initial post.... but I got through it.
I would suggest breaking that up next time, as you will get a lot more people willing to wade through it, and it will be worth getting more eyes on your project, which sounds really cool to me.
I agree. I'm looking very much forward to his plan/property developing, and lots of info is invaluable. I know that I can skim, and I do skim, but then If I really think that I should give my ideas or opinion then I owe it to the person to read the entire thing with a discerning eye for details, and that takes time and energy. Now it is personal, my reading style, for sure, I've seen it noted by a few people on this site by reading their comments on other long posts that my reading style is not completely uncommon; meaning that if paragraphs after paragraphs are not broken up, then the post can be a bit daunting to plunge fully into, unless perhaps the subject is irresistible. I'm not saying that it's everyone's response to seeing a long initial post, and I'm not saying that I'm not occasionally guilty of making such long initial posts myself [ ], but... I guess what I am saying is that, considering that Robert is planning to put out more information, and post pictures, that it might be better to break up the initial post with pictures, or at least into a couple smaller posts, which makes it much more readable in the end (in my opinion), or the beginning, even. It's not 100% necessary, even for me who posted about it being long... I did read it after all, because I find the ideas intriguing and irresistible. : D
I don't know, I tend to like more information, rather than too little. I can always skim if I don't have time. But, it's really hard to answer a question of, for instance, "What fruit tree should I plant" when there's no info on climate, lighting, soil, etc. But, we all do have different reading and writing styles, which is one thing I love about permies!
I look forward to learning more about Robert Swan's property
Sounds like a good opportunity for hugulkultur. You could put them between the trees, stacked like firewood, water it and put a bit of your bare soil on top; seed with clover, and cover loosely with smaller branchier type alder material to prevent erosion, and evaporation. You could stack them, kind of like log cabins around your young trees or trees you want to keep, and these will slowly decompose creating a nice nutrient mat in the main feeding/drinking area for the tree. About mowing the blackberries: while a pain in the ass, they are actually quite beneficial for establishing orchards. The dense thorny bushes will create an impenetrable patch (as you know), and these will exclude predation on your young orchard trees. Later, when your orchard trees are beginning to gain height and girth and are able to take a bit of predation, then bring in some goats and tether them so that they eat your blackberries (and not your fruit/nut trees). I remember reading of people doing this successfully somewhere, with apples and such, and cattle. The cattle were turned loose and they went for the wind thrown fruit, but only after the trees were large enough that they were not effected by the presence of cattle.
I was thinking of lining the rows out with the logs, but don't want them to get in the way of mowing for the few years they may take to decompose. So i was thinking of possibly piling them up, firewood style-ish, halfway between each tree and letting them go there, and spreading the rotted wood once it's far gone enough to be a non- issue for the mower or brush hog. Any other ideas?
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