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Why do members need ''apples'' in order to post to specific forums?
Why is access restricted ? How much is this in alignment with the ethics of permaculture?

 
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Because Paul makes the rules here. He explains his reasoning in the thread below.

https://permies.com/t/31128/category-Cider-Press
 
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So one man decides for all the rest?
This isn't permaculture.
 
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Of course it isn't permaculture. Ownership has nothing to do with permaculture.

I own a farm. I decide and say who can come onto the farm for a tour. I also dictate what they can do and how they need to behave while on my farm. I have full right to remove them from my farm and ban them from returning. As the owner, I have control of who enters the farm and what behavior I demand from them. Visitors to my farm have little or no influence upon my operation of my farm, nor the permaculture aspects of it.

Paul owns this forum. He has complete control. It is his right. Personally I see him as a benevolent dictator promoting permaculture. I have no problem with it.
 
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Panagiotis Panagiotou wrote:So one man decides for all the rest?
This isn't permaculture.



Here at Permies we try to foster a nicer sort of theme to the forums. Anything that could be of a divisive nature, highly emotionally charged, (politics, religion, personal opinion) and less of a helpful, knowledge sharing nature; has special places to be freely discussed. To help prevent flame wars, trolls, etc.

To get to those places does take some time and effort. And have a few parameters to get there, which basically boil down to some time spent hanging out and learning how things are done here. The general tone of the way we post things.

That is permaculture, to be in a kinder place, that shares knowledge and encourages others. You can say your piece the way you want to say it, when you get to that level that allows you to post in some of the more 'volatile' areas.

Permaculture is, sharing, encouraging, and being kind to your fellow beings. A lot of the internet may not be. We are, here. I've been involved with BBS and forums for about thirty years (the days when USENET map fit on one piece of paper). I like it here. We hope you will too, soon.

Paul has a vision, and this is his place. He has a good vision. This is what has developed of it. Welcome to Permies.

Edit: The staff here is all volunteer, we all work together, and we all have slightly different interpretations. What Su Ba said is correct too. It is Paul's place. We follow. Trust me, this is a good place. Just give it a try. It may not be perfect and it may not fit you in the end, but it's hoped it will be.
 
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Su Ba wrote:Of course it isn't permaculture. Ownership has nothing to do with permaculture.

I own a farm. I decide and say who can come onto the farm for a tour. I also dictate what they can do and how they need to behave while on my farm. I have full right to remove them from my farm and ban them from returning. As the owner, I have control of who enters the farm and what behavior I demand from them. Visitors to my farm have little or no influence upon my operation of my farm, nor the permaculture aspects of it.

Paul owns this forum. He has complete control. It is his right. Personally I see him as a benevolent dictator promoting permaculture. I have no problem with it.



But this isn't a place.It is a virtual place.Technology makes things spaceless.Space doesnt matter as you can see because
everyone has access from different parts of the world.
It is a platform to discuss permaculture.
 
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And this virtual place belongs to Paul.

If you want to talk about specific things that are restricted here, without contributing enough to earn apples, why not go and set up your own virtual place? That way you can make your own rules, spend  your own time moderating it, and there will be another platform to discuss whatever you want to discuss.
 
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Burra Maluca wrote:And this virtual place belongs to Paul.

If you want to talk about specific things that are restricted here, without contributing enough to earn apples, why not go and set up your own virtual place? That way you can make your own rules, spend  your own time moderating it, and there will be another platform to discuss whatever you want to discuss.



I don't like to own platforms nor do i like to think i own permaculture to behave like this.
 
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That's fine.  But if you don't like to own your own and want to use this one, you get to follow the rules.

I'm locking this thread now as there are other threads devoted to this subject which you don't appear to have bohered to read and I have  more productive things to do than listen to all your  reasons why you want us to change everything to suit yourself.  I'm sure other staff members have too.
 
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