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Get Crown land in Canada

 
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Tyler August wrote:

Dale Hodgins wrote:      I have traveled to many of the sorts of places where this land is available. There are residency requirements and development requirements. I've also checked out lots of land which was selling for between $15 and $100 per acre. There were very good reasons for this cheap price and I ended up buying land in a more hospitable climate where people live. The $15 per acre stuff was north of Sudbury Ontario. It was clear-cut black spruce and Aspen. In that climate it takes about 75 years to get any useful stand of forest. The land tax over time ends up costing considerably more than the original purchase price. I'm a Canadian and have been to every province and have never encountered any free land which was worth owning.

    A century ago there were great opportunities for free land, then the government thought it would be a good idea to create northern development through land giveaways. Distance and climate have kept most of these communities from thriving.

    To see just how far governments will go to create development in inhospitable climates check out what the Soviet Union managed to do in Siberia. They moved hundreds of thousands of people into some horrible spots. Today the offspring of these people invariably head south.



... how far north of Sudbury? Timmins? Kapuskasing? Spruce and Aspen might be further north still. It sure doesn't seem to take 75 years for pine in the Sudbury area to get nice and pulpable again.
One of my grandfathers tried to make a go of it in Kap; I don't know what his full agricultural ambitions were but I do know it never went past hobby farm. My other grandfather in Kirkland Lake has one of the lushest gardens I've seen anywhere in the province. Maybe it's a matter of perspective, or maybe it's just way further north than I'm thinking (Moose factory?) but man. 15$/acre? Seriously?



I'm looking at some land about 20-30 mins drive from Thunder Bay, ON. It's going for $150 - $200 per acre.

It's all under snow right now but looks to be cut-over bush and muskeg on Canadian shield. Great for blueberries and moose I imagine Hugelculture would go awesome there. The climate is touch and go for tomatoes (using traditional gardening techniques) unless you have a greenhouse. I think with some proper development, one could grow them reliably, maybe even peppers. Citrus could be a stretch but I'm always up for a challenge.
 
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I find the gov sites on gaining crown land to be hard to navigate, and seem to be built for people who already have a familiarity with land laws and regs. These GOV FAQs and general info pages dont include the info you would need to find your loopholes. In NL, the best way to find out the regs on obtaining land is to review the Crown grants registration Act, found in the statutes on NL and LAB. (http://www.assembly.nl.ca/legislation/sr/annualstatutes/1991/9136.chp.htm)

I'm sure other provinces have similar acts, if you were to look for them.

To build an entire community would be possible, I think, if you had the right plans and an appropriate proposal. Danny Williams is building an entire community on prime land, near St John's. Granted, he DOES have a lot of $$, but his community will be on expensive land(comparatively), and be a traditional style community.

There are areas of NL that are considerably cheaper the the land near St John's. Belle Island, for example. More and more people are moving from this smaller island to to be nearer ST John's, and the prices out there have been dropping significantly. (there is a regular ferry from Belle Island that is near St John's, so transport is there). There are even "dead communities" here where no one lives any more.

In NL, grants are given at "fair market value" of the land. You can also lease the land.


NL currently has a Provincial Population Growth Strategy: http://www.gov.nl.ca/populationgrowth/

Seems to me they would be open to attracting an entire community of people! ^There is a suggestion form on that link where you can tell them what you think would encourage people to move here/stay here.^


Newfoundland needs people, and economic sustainability would be a HUGE draw to get officials on board with your project!
 
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peter mukunda wrote:I often get very frustrated by the land situation, made even more ironic in a country like Canada - a vast place with a relatively low population. Basically, we should all be given some land, IMO. And there should be limits on how much rich people can grab. Should money be the main consideration in whether and how much land we can acquire? I think not. Land policies need much improvement!!!

Basically, the gov grabbed all the land in the beginning, immorally, through force and violence. It gave some to new immigrants and imprisoned Natives on reserves. Now, no more free land for anyone. No squatting or staking or cheap buys. The gov still owns incredibly vast amounts of land to this day, which we call Crown Land. But to get a good piece of land in a location one desires by any means is costly.

Us low income folks are therefore forced to live on the bad side of town often, the affordable side, or we are on a troubled Indian reservation, or some other undesirable situation. Yet, this country is so BIG! That's my frustration. Some pencil-pushers somewhere restrict me from living in a good place for no good reason, while the land goes unused, or sold to people who abuse it, or just have more money.

Those who would live gently and beautifully and appreciatively on the land often can't. I don't know how to change this. I can agitate, but it looks like it will take a while before this has much effect.

Fortunately, I think economies everywhere including here are about to crash, so I think there will be a lot of cheap land around soon. Probably also a lot of gov officials who have much more urgent things to do than find and kick survival squatters off Crown Land. However, the insecurity of squatting is still much less preferable than having a piece of paper which says you can remain.




heres my rant: hehe, this isnt directed to you bud, but just just wanted to b.s with you guys a bit. void half of it.

Hey I totally get you vibe and understand most of your perspective with land ownership being a human right, and that we should and do have the option to have free land. Remove everything you know. Remove youre past and present and go live on some land where your chances of being bothered are low. When you are discovered, you;ll have a natural communication that will save you and your land. But if your getting disability cheques this might not be the route.

I think we are kinda in the middle of things. We have the option to be in the system or not. Im not sure if we can be halfway. The system has some easy living, but you sound like me and you can taste your slavery. But is it really slavery if we choose it No its not. You have a choice, and choose it everyday. You havent found the faith to direct your life. Like me. Im a youngen at 27 now, with a utopian mindset. It all comes down to a personal level i think. and because we are so deep in the system the choices are getting more fewer and more extreme. but the great thing is that no violence in necessary. All we need is organization, communication and a goal. But even when Im saying this as a type of transitional idea coming out of the system, you have to realize the state of each person, that possibly a low percentage of us canadians will want this new idea/ new form of lifestyle, due to the easy life and excitement of the new technological lifestyle.

Hard to explain with the keyboard but basically we just have to band together to live comfortably and in the manner we want. Just speaking to myself, I would, like your doing, keep finding people you enjoy being with and create that comfortable life you have in mind. Everyone on this form is doing this eh?

Its crazy, a guy can actually feel the pull of the two forces on earth hey? System and security vs freedom and faith.

Doesnt it say that faith rules over law in canada? (within reason). Just like the freemen on the land do, do that, root yourself in your own world and plant your life with openness and respect to others depth in the system. Maybe youll find yourself with the judge asking you why you think you own the land? then when you return the question he'll be false in whatever he says, cause its all really just hearsay on how the land was obtained. we just need the gusto to defend ourselves maybe.

i'v watched some videos of people petitioning the queen for different matters, with good outcomes. but who knows.

excuse my arrogance and ignorance in the matter. cheers bud.
 
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i picked up 53 acres 10min from peace river, alberta with no road access yet. thinking about turning it into a ecovillage type of setup possibly / cheap living setup. but yah id be interested also in the association idea.
 
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i am A born Canadian in British Columbia all my life. My question is, can I squat on an Island on BC west coast that is crown land and own it after a year? if not how can I get an island (crown land) free, or do you have to buy it now? I just want to get away for good, be self-sufficient and built a nice get away cottage with a dock for my parents and sister. I know one that has a half moon bay for a boat n dock area. its perfect.

-Stephanie the Kidd lol
 
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A free island anywhere in coastal BC, just doesn't happen. I've been to a couple very small ones that sold for millions.

Occasionally there's a lot for sale on difficult terrain, in the $10,000 range on the more remote gulf islands.
 
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Stephanie Walker wrote:i am A born Canadian in British Columbia all my life. My question is, can I squat on an Island on BC west coast that is crown land and own it after a year? if not how can I get an island (crown land) free, or do you have to buy it now? I just want to get away for good, be self-sufficient and built a nice get away cottage with a dock for my parents and sister. I know one that has a half moon bay for a boat n dock area. its perfect.

-Stephanie the Kidd lol



Theirs a way to do everything you want in life. You just have to find the way

I would research different cases of squatters in the court and such. check out what the law says, and work your way with it. also research the difference between your body and the paper copy of your body. Check out Ungrip on youtube. and also the channel eternallyaware. Its a rabbit hole, so be careful and know that where their is a will, their is a way
 
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Free land is not so free.
The failure rate for homesteaders has always been high.
A big part of this is economics.

Unless you are wealthy to start with, how will you earn the cash you need to buy the goods and services you cannot produce yourself?
Do you put the land in a none for profit or trust and go on government aid due to low income?
Can you provide goods and/or services from your land? A land with a T1 line passing through that can have high speed Internet can also have a nerd herd working remotely.
Is there any real future for the next generation? How do you replace those who are no longer there?
I moved from Alaska to Ohio to find work because my skills were specialized.

There are a number of successful international communities. You may wish to start with why those that are working are successful.
 
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It's not free but I think there are 235 acres in mid-northern BC for like 50 grand. If I could convince my wife to go that far I'd be there right now.
 
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