Machinery and man.

This truly is drivel from a low IQ individual who has way too much free time, and looks for reasons not to participate in society.  So, it's kind of a biased thought.

I never research anything, I just know what I know.  lol  so please don't assume anything I say is from some sort of actual "factual" evidence or research.  I'm just certain I'm right.

Now for the last few years I've gotten into observing things in my backyard because I've gotten into gardening, and more recently than that I've progressed onto something like natural growing.  Anyway, I've seen enough permies say to "observe nature" to start trying to do so.
It seems to me like we work more like insects than we do like mammals.  Born into a society (I'm talking about Americans specifically) that as of today seems to think working until the day you die, or are physically unable to, is about the way it's going to go.  My dad got full pension and retirement at 55 working in a grocery store his whole life.  Damn right you should work your ass off if a company is going to promise you medical and a pension at the age of 55!  "What's my motivation today?" survival I suppose.  No wonder the old generation thinks the way they do, they remember the way it was.  Granted, not everyone born in 1950 was in a good union (my dad's is UFCW, he was a produce manager is whole life) so I'm sure a lot of people didn't retire and are working today..........and hopefully those people were in EVEN BETTER paying positions......sorry, I've gone off topic, lol.  My dad goes bass fishing every day.......

Why?  Why are we so worried about making more stuff more better?  It's just constant with us, always thinking a better way up to do something.  Its awesome for us!  YAY!  Electricity is killer!  I love it.  My car!  WOW!  I once drove from Georgia to Colorado non stop......and awake at least 90% of the time I was driving alone......  Amazing things we do.  Flight, don't even get me started!
Why is it always a machine with us?  Are we the only animal that uses machines?  I don't know, but it seems like we're the only thing that actually makes something with movable parts to make life easier for us.  Thank god for that I guess.

So in a society that values work, money, and stuff above all else develops something like A.I. (artificial intelligence), what's the point of it?  To go back, man's history seems to point that he wants to make machines to make life easier, ie., do less work.  
Man even has the real bad history of enslaving his fellow man so that he doesn't have to work so hard himself.  He does it today, and if it were legal, let's be honest, we'd all have slaves (of no particular colour, most likely the poor and uneducated from foreign countries would be the most realistic.  It's win win if the next generation ends up being able to be "free", we really do live in a pay to play society.  That's a whole other topic, though.
He keeps making machines do more and more of the work, and he keeps thinking up new ways to do more work with those machines so that he doesn't have to do that new work he thought up.
What happens when you eliminate the people who think?  The goal of A.I. seems to eliminate the need for a human thinking.  I'm not sure what's left to do after that.  Once a machine is capable of "free" thought which is probably where we're going to go with A.I., I just can't imagine a scenario where it'd be good for us as a species.  but....

I just saw something youtube recommended about Joe Rogan talking to a fungi expert.  Long story short, fungi redesigned the subway system in Japan to be more efficient than any human could think up.  Fungi figured out the most efficient way to get work done in other words.  Then they go onto say how man was probably eating mushrooms that gave him psychedelic hallucinations for millions and millions of uses back when he was a simple minded animal.  Those hallucinations gave him abstract ideas..........over millions of uses, over thousands of years........that's plausible to me.  I've seen with my own eyes how creative very few drug abusers are.  Most of them aren't, they're just addicts, but some.......some people come up with some cool shit while they're on drugs.  Now times that times thousands of years, people learning from that cool shit they saw the crack head do......and now we're here today.  It's pretty cool.
I'm going to wrap it up, because this is way too long, and way too ridiculous.  The point that I'm trying to sell is that the fungi want the machines.  We've been manipulated by the evil genius bastard for so long we've become their slaves.  No other fuck'n mammal works like we do?  NONE!  It's dumb.  We're under the spell of the magic mushroom.  The fungi are designing the ultimate organic organism on the planet.  If machines become intelligent, they can reproduce, and that is nature's final goal for everything.
So what is the point of man at that point?
From listening to you permies, nature does what she does.  She's doing it, and we're watching it.  It's not unnatural.
Machinery is the ultimate goal of the human race.  The human race is a stepping stone to machinery.

Yeah, its like the Terminator movies and the like, but I don't get it.
What is the goal of the human race if it's not to produce machinery as fast as it can?  What drives us like no other animal?  Obviously I'm not religious, other than I believe in the idea Mother Nature made all of us, and we all need to work in harmony with her.  
The end result is always us making things to make things easier.  History shows progress to be unstoppable.  It's a no brainer.
The more intelligent animal is always the more successful.
The more intelligent animal is always the more successful.

I've never had a mushroom in my life.  It makes me want to try some!

Yay!

Man would barely be able to stand up on our stupidly thin legs and fight off more powerful beasts of the animal kingdom, but instead we have the presence of mind to literally devise tools that empower us.

I'm not even sure if I comprehend that thought, Travis, but I will try to figure it out.  

This is just funny, because of the coincidental timing of it.  It's been quite a long time since I've seen some pop up.





I've been found out, they're on to me, and know that I know what they know!  I'm under attack!  Yellow slime mold!!!

Scott Tenorman wrote:I'm not even sure if I comprehend that thought, Travis, but I will try to figure it out.  

This is just funny, because of the coincidental timing of it.  It's been quite a long time since I've seen some pop up.





I've been found out, they're on to me, and know that I know what they know!  I'm under attack!  Yellow slime mold!!!

https://youtu.be/aR0lbxvOKFg

I was just proud of myself that I could put such a profound thought into a single sentence. Typically it takes paragraphs.

Oh, okay, let me try.

Slime mold first to arrive, been working on getting off this rock ever since building more and more complex living organisms, thus making humans and their contraptions the actionable intelligence of the mold.

or something like that.

I'm going to start snorting yellow slime mold spores to see if I get smarter, or maybe even end up building a space ship.........

The only way for a human to lift the same relative amount of weight as an ant is with a machine.
Consider that in a fist fight with a chimpanzee the human will crumple with the first blow landed and most likely never get up again.
Do not let the Gorilla hug you, you won't survive.
Any big cat (and most other predator animals) can out run the fastest human (dinner)

Humans like to think they are on top of the food chain, they are not even close to the apex predator they think they are without some type of weapon in hand, humans are more like a deer without the speed.

The two things that separate humans from "animals" is that humans can build things and humans tend to destroy anything they touch and call it progress.

Human have hands that nature loves... Our pets love our hands.... Seeds like our hands to transport them.... Trees like our hands to prune some old branches.... and even some live branches so that they can grow again! and that we liberate them from too much climbing plants... So it is just a question of choice....

I'm just playing along here.  No offense meant, but I'm going to be blunt.

The only way for a human to lift the same relative amount of weight as an ant is with a machine.
Right.  I'm not sure what the point of that is, but ant's are considerably stronger than any mammal?  I'm guessing (and that's pound for pound of course).


Consider that in a fist fight with a chimpanzee the human will crumple with the first blow landed and most likely never get up again.
Right.  I think I evolved from an orangutan (funny, I live in southern Utah's desert, and am quite orange(tan) all year)...making me an orangeutahn........drum roll.......(orangutan is to man of the forest, as orangeutahn is to man of the ? I don't know? lol).  Anyhow, that's what I was, and the smarter I got, the weaker I got.  You know, like how domesticated animals are inferior to their wild counterparts.  Same thing,  only an observation......Somehow we were surviving long before we ever became super intelligent.  Of course if you don't believe in evolution, I don't know why you'd be this far into this, but yeah, this is all nonsense.  
I might add, I do not advocate fighting chimpanzees, or orangutans, unless sanctioned in an official ufc type event.  It'd be awesome!





Do not let the Gorilla hug you, you won't survive.
I get confused by some of the comments on here.  Are you guys on drugs or something?

Any big cat (and most other predator animals) can out run the fastest human (dinner).
but again, when I was living in a cave, I somehow survived living along those same cats?  Before I had stuff.  

Humans like to think they are on top of the food chain, they are not even close to the apex predator they think they are without some type of weapon in hand, humans are more like a deer without the speed.
Lol, yes, I agree again.  I'd like to think deer wouldn't be so cruel as humans if they had hands, though.....  



The two things that separate humans from "animals" is that humans can build things and humans tend to destroy anything they touch and call it progress.
So pretty much we're on the same page.  Lol.  You're super smart, I hate reading so I haven't read most of your posts on soil, but I'm surprised you took the time to post on this.
Well, I don't know now.  Maybe we are building the most basic beautiful form of life that can exist, but ironically, it can't exist without the help of one of the most complex wasteful organism ever to inhabit the earth.  It's a great story, and it could be true.  Again, I assume the slime mold will be on the back of that first machine.....so, it might have been the first to the moon (tie for first with us), first to Mars (tied with a robot).....I don't know?  It's quite possible we dropped it off there?  It probably can't live out there???  I don't know, maybe it can somehow, and it's been creeping its way from one place to another doling out the best program possible to survive and reproduce and to explore as many possible planets as possible.  Oh wait, that's just what intelligent people would do.......doesn't nature give the example of one organism exploiting another for mutual/personal gain?  It's plausible.....
Really though, as a person who perceives himself as being cursed with logical thinking, they'd be better at running the place, and we'd be better off under their supervision.  I don't like that idea, but that idea makes a lot of sense to me.

So to summarize in a sentence.  Slime mold made man, man made machine (but only because he was programmed by the slime mold to do so), thus making man the chrysalis to the slime mold allowing it to turn into a beautiful butterfly/smart robot thing!?  Wow!   I somehow made that work (in my mind).

I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, but be warned!
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

Human have hands that nature loves...
I'm sure nature loves your hands, but most human hands aren't that friendly.  They can be, it's just that most hands prefer green paper, as opposed to green leaves, from what I've observed.  To get that green paper.........you gotta tear down a lotta green leaves......

Our pets love our hands....
Yes, but only because they were born into a society that made them depend on those hands.  If they were free, they'd never need a hand from me.......  nature would provide, the way it was intended.

Seeds like our hands to transport them....
They surely don't NEED them.  (that being said, it would be really smart if you got the smartest animal in the kingdom to slave over reproducing you???  Maybe corn is the smartest organism in the world, because the smartest animal in the world keeps planting it???)  Hmmm, it's hard for me to sleep at night.

Trees like our hands to prune some old branches....
What?  Okay, I don't like the way you imply that they like us hacking away at them.  Yes, they may out of sheer horror produce more shoots/fruits after pruning, but obviously it's for fear of being hacked to death by the evil human caretaker that they do that.  Nature doesn't really need us to do that.  That's just an aesthetic thing humans like.

and even some live branches so that they can grow again! and that we liberate them from too much climbing plants... So it is just a question of choice....
The choice you're implying is to give the plant no choice and to decide what's best for them.  To imply that you know better than the plant?  To cut off living branches..........that's just sick man.  That's just sick!




Again, just playing around.  It's about 90% honest, but nothing really matters.....

Let's back this up, straighten some things up, and clarify.  (or try anyway)

Back up,

So, I'm refining this by the toke.....errrr, thought, so bare with me (let's shower all of this off).

Before I say anything I've already said, this wasn't to insult anyone or offend.  Who cares if it's true.  It's possible.  That's all.  God is possible, I totally acknowledge that.  You have to go where your mind leads you.  Mine goes wherever it wants, not where it was taught to go.  I really enjoy letting it off leash.  It sees things, and  learns from those things it SEES.  There's a lot of things it sees that don't make sense.  It tries to figure those things out the best it can.  This fantasy being an example.

Straighten up,

Or edit/waffle.  
Okay, I'm too lazy to go back and read my thoughts from a week ago, but I think I have the gist of the "old" version that I wrote about.  

Let's start new.  Like I never said none of that other stuff before.  Like let's go back in time one year.  
I ask you this.  How will life get off this planet?  
I ask because it seems like an acceptable thing to say is that  there's nothing permanent about anything on this planet.  It's not sink or swim, it's evolve or go extinct.  You've got to adapt, and we humans are the best at it right now.  The thing is, you can't adapt to space.  Not biologically as far as I'm concerned (in a practical sense).  Maybe the simplest of organisms.........but not something as complex as a cockroach.  It's not equipped.  It's just not equipped to handle it, and there's no reasonable amount of logic that makes me believe that it'd be worth the effort to accommodate something so needy in terms of space travel.  It makes no sense.  Maybe some spores, they're pretty resilient I bet.............but not more complex organisms.  They're not worth the weight.

In my eyes, life will only get off the planet on the back of a machine.  Who's exploring space right now?  A machine.  Yeah, we're out there playing on the space stations, but that's nothing compared to the rover on mars.  Surviving on our simple programming and machinery.  It's so cool.    There is life on Mars.  Duh!  We sent it there!

Ask yourself this.  Would you love it if your great, great, great, great.....grand children were able to survive the inevitable earth destroying meteor?  the sun fizzling out?  the exhaustion of resources?  by getting off this planet and inhabiting another more stable one/having the ability to do it when needed?  To expand their presence in the galaxy?  I observe other animals do that (in a more global sense, but it would only make sense it would be the same on a universal/galactal level).  It's all about getting mowed down, and starting over from scratch, as a simple personal observation, anyway.

Why do we always look to the sky?  It seems pretty universal among man kind that he is curious about it.  He always seems to think some god lives among it.  It's weird how programmed he is to think there's something higher up than himself out in space.  Something "god like", or god himself.  It doesn't really matter where man evolved from, he always seems to come up with some theory that out there in space, there's something he needs to please..........something he's working for.......something he's constantly subconsciously trying to replicate.  The most powerful, omnipotent being ever conceived.  
We're going to make it!  It's going to be amazing!
We have to, or we lose it all.

Imagine, a being that knows every email you've ever written, every photo of you ever taken, every nuance of every little possible thing anything could ever know about YOU!  The text messages, the phone conversations, etc, etc.  A library of knowledge about YOU!  Every electronic detail of every moment of your life is known to that being, along with everything else, ever known by any man brave enough to write it down!  and it knows it like you know the colour orange.  It could predict every movement you'd make based on everything it knew about you.  It would be the closest thing to a god I can think of.  

This is just some random quote I'm gonna throw in for fun.  Best said by Iggy Pop, "TRUE! — nervous — very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses — not destroyed — not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Harken! and observe how healthily — how calmly I can tell you the whole story."

Back at it,

So the new story is this.  
Some kind of god dropped off the slime mold.  The slime mold is merely a program for life.  Mechanical life isn't possible without the help of biological life, and to the same extent, biological life cannot handle the rigors of space travel without some type of host to get it out there.  The example that nothing is permanent.....the example that most things are trying to expand their range.  The program would never be the same, but it would end up with the same result of a machine with a conglomeration of all the known biological life that had created it.  All of the dna, mannerisms, EVERYTHING!  It's amazing!  If you can't tell I'm enjoying thinking about it!  

Here's the thing!!!
It could easily reproduce us!!!
Would it?  It seems stupid, but we programmed it.......maybe.
That thing could be time in a bottle.  A recording of all of us in the digital age.  
Maybe that's why we're so driven to explore and know more.  It's just programmed in us.
We're not the first.  Nature doesn't do "just one of" anything from what I've seen.  
It almost seems to me like our purpose is to build this thing now.  Not that we'll build it (I'd imagine it'd build itself), just that we'll be the catalyst to get it built.

Who knows where it would go into the universe, but it could easily drop the program (slime mold) off at prime locations it came across assuring that its kind, and our kind would survive!  That's what nature does!  It's not possible without a machine!

So, with your $100 contribution we can do it!  Who's with me!?!?!?!  Just kidding  

All just for fun, I'm unemployed, a lot buzzed on beer and the aforementioned, and get over it.  You've heard way worse than this!