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almond grove conversion

 
vin jea
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Hello

I have been thinking about purchasing an almond grove and grafting many different species onto the various trees to create an instantly diverse food forest! (cherries, stone fruits etc.)

Is my idea original or can anyone give their experiences?

What do people think about the idea?

Best wishes
 
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Hi Vin,

Grafting is a valuable technique for diversifying PRODUCTION. But it's not going to make you a food forest all by itself. For one, you have to graft compatible trees, so your diversity is going to be rather limited. Secondly, a forest has many levels: a high canopy, a lower canopy, a ground level, an underground level, etc. In this case, grafting alone will still leave you with a single-level orchard.

By all means, graft. But if you want a food forest, think about what else you can integrate: some leguminous trees for mulch, some ground cover and ground crops, some grapes or other climbing fruit, etc. A traditional orchard should leave you plenty of space to add stuff all throughout--above and below. Keep us posted!

-Nathanael
 
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The trees will make excellent trellises for vines. Grapes, kiwi, runner beans, peas all come to mind.
 
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Hi vin.

As mentioned, trees being grafted need to be compatible with eachother. This usually means being different cultivars of the same species, although I think that most stone fruit can be grafted with other stonefruit, though I have to check on that one. I know, as well, that pear can be grafted onto hawthorn, but again, the reason is genetic compatibility.

Nathaniel's point about grafting by itself not yielding a food forest is right on the mark. Whatever you could graft onto the almond would need to be so closely related that you wouldn't be encouraging genetic diversity.

I like the idea of converting old orchard of any kind to food forest. I would thin the orchard for space and airflow, and at the appropriate time, prune the remaining trees as necessary. I would plan a multi-trophic polyculture, occupying all of the niches possible, from tuber, groundcover, and different levels of soft green undergrowth to woody shrubbery, other fruit trees, vines, understory fruit and nut trees, and finally a long-maturing overstory tree, probably producing mast of some sort.

I would also plan mine as rows of food forest separating alleys of either grazing or no-till field crops. If there was a slope, the trees kept would be on contour.

In your case, I would see what different species might grow well in the same conditions as the almond. A temperate food forest won't look anything like a tropical one, after all. Where are you located?

In any case, good luck, and keep us posted.

-CK
 
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