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This is a badge bit (BB) that is part of the PEP curriculum. Completing this BB is part of getting the wood badge in Rocket.

This BB requires you to build a j-tube unpressurized rocket hot water heater.


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This is a video of what the rocket hot water heater should look and operate like.

rocket water heater and shower



These are some potentially useful resources:
  - Rocket Hot Water Heater the SAFE Way
  - Rocket Mass Heater Hot Water
  - Rocket Stove Hot Water for Hot Tub
  - Rocket Stove Heat Water

To get certified for this Badge Bit you must provide:
  - 5 pics of build in progress
  - very clear description of how it is not pressurized (if steam happens it can't blow up)
  - 15 second long video of cold water going in and steaming hot water coming out
  - 2 minute video of starting the fire and proving there are no smoke leaks
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Dave Burton wrote:This BB requires you to build a j-tube unpressurized rocket hot water heater.

To get certified for this Badge Bit you must provide:
  - 5 pics of build in progress
  - very clear description of how it is not pressurized (if steam happens it can't blow up)
  - 15 second long video of cold water going in and steaming hot water coming out
  - 2 minute video of starting the fire and proving there are no smoke leaks



I ran about 8-10 iterations of design concepts by my husband and every time my objective was to make it simpler and safer, simpler and safer, simpler... and safer. What I built is essentially a double boiler system. I have a ~20gal stock tank that is directly exposed to the hot air above the riser. I then dropped in a copper coil that exchanges heat with the hot stock tank water. If the stock water were to reach boiling point, the water in the copper coil would reach up to boiling but not exceed it since it isn't in direct contact with the heat source. I also installed a pressure relief valve above the section of copper that takes cold water vertically down as an added safety measure in the event that water wants to rise against the intended direction. Meanwhile, the water on the other side where the copper coils vertically up, the pressure would escape via the intended direction of the hot water. The diaphragmatic pump is on-demand and will turn off when the valves are closed. Until this system can be integrated into the neighboring structure differently, I put the valve in between the pump and the copper coil.

About the rocket: I built an 8in system with a 6in exhaust juice-boxed into the air void next to the j-tube. Take a look at the last photo attachment. I positioned the exhaust as low as possible to make the system as efficient as possible. Because of this, you'll see that I made sure the chimney was very primed before priming the riser in the 2min video below.

Stock tank water and cistern water (water supply) was at 54deg. After 2hrs11min run time of the rocket, the stock tank was at 187deg and the copper heat exchange output was 154deg (as noted in the video). I used about 2 5-gal buckets of wood.

I figured a water temp above 140deg would be considered safe from legionella bacterium and close to 160degFwould be even better.

15 second long video of cold water going in and steaming hot water coming out:


2 minute video of starting the fire and proving there are no smoke leaks:
in-progress-photo-1.JPG
salvaged a water heater tank
salvaged a water heater tank
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working on the plumbing
working on the plumbing
in-progress-photo-3.JPG
starting the firebrick j-tube
starting the firebrick j-tube
in-progress-photo-4.JPG
more firebrick
more firebrick
in-progress-photo-5.JPG
finished with firebrick now working on the HEAVY brick
finished with firebrick now working on the HEAVY brick
in-progress-photo-6.JPG
filled the air space around riser with a perlite cob mix
filled the air space around riser with a perlite cob mix
in-progress-photo-7.jpg
tank, exhaust, and plumbing set
tank, exhaust, and plumbing set
in-progress-photo-8.jpg
air gap around stock tank
air gap around stock tank
in-progress-photo-9.jpg
tapering the rows in to meet the tank
tapering the rows in to meet the tank
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last but not least, the finishing touches around the feed
last but not least, the finishing touches around the feed
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the final product was close.... but far taller and I couldn't get it to slope.
the final product was close.... but far taller and I couldn't get it to slope.
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