• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education experiences global resources the cider press projects digital market permies.com private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nicole Alderman
  • r ranson
  • paul wheaton
  • Anne Miller
  • Mike Jay
stewards:
  • Jocelyn Campbell
  • Burra Maluca
  • Devaka Cooray
garden masters:
  • Dave Burton
  • James Freyr
  • Mike Barkley
gardeners:
  • Joylynn Hardesty
  • Greg Martin
  • Pearl Sutton

Budget Geothermal system? And related questions  RSS feed

 
Posts: 4
Location: NE Washington State
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
My mother and I own property in Northeastern Washington state. USDA Zone 5b and situated at about 3200 feet in elevation. Trying to figure out a few things so we can make progress on the build this Spring/Summer. Winter temps can be as low as -20F and summer temps have reached 109F on occasion. Property is on the grid but it is a vulnerable grid which has been taken offline for several days at a time during the summer for maintainence. It’s also been down due to major storms, wildfires, etc. There is a small, dry hunting cabin on the property but we’ll be building something more substantial for full-time occupancy.

Geo-thermal (with appropriate insulation) seems like a good option to help keep inside temperatures within liveable ranges should the grid fail.  That said,  I’m wondering how deep we’ll need to dig and if there’s a way to figure out how deep our actual bedrock is. The properties above and below us have very little topsoil ( like less than 12”) but our property seems to have acted as a catchment for a lot of the soil from above us. I know I’ve been able to dig several 2 foot holes in the past and the company that installed our septic system didn’t have any issues.

Is there an online resource that has average earth temperatures at various latitudes and depths?  Any low tech  tricks for determining how far down your bedrock is? What’s the cheapest way to do a geothermal system? I really liked the geothermal system the Raney’s did on Homestead Rescue but not sure how well that design really performs. We’ll want to have a way to power any fans with solar or battery due to the previously mentioned grid issues.
 
master steward
Posts: 3664
Location: Northern WI (zone 4)
845
books food preservation hunting solar trees woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi Diana, one way to measure temps down deep is to get a post hole auger like This.  You can extend the handle to dig pretty deep.  Last winter I kicked aside the snow and checked my ground temps.  Every foot or so I just used a probe thermometer to measure the dirt I was bringing up.  

The temps down in the geothermal range are probably pretty close to your average year-round temperature.

I haven't seen the show you're talking about  Is it geothermal using air or liquid as the heat transfer?

I would suspect that with good passive solar design you could get by without needing too much heat in the winter.
 
Posts: 201
Location: North central Ontario
17
books chicken dog earthworks homestead kids cooking solar wood heat woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hmm, lots of possibilities but some of them are conflicting. So here is the conventional answer. Air to Air geothermal heat pump for 9 to 10 months of the year with Woodheat playing a role in the coldest months and as a backup for winter power failures. That avoids using the electric heating element in periods of intense cold. Off grid and geothermal is a tough one as the heat requirements come during the least productive solar months. If you want to incorporate a solar element and do geothermal I would say net meter the solar with a battery backup element for running critical loads...
Cheers,  David
 
Wanna see my flashlight? How about this tiny ad?
global solutions you can do at home or in your backyard
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/better-world-boo
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!