Organic geotextile fabric?

John C Daley wrote:As a Road Engineer at times, I can say Geotextile works best in boggy ground.
If you have tonnes of rock available, you may get away without it, but its primary use is to reduce the amount of rock used.
Because it is usually in water, I can not imagine anyting ele but plastic or a variation being used to make the item.

1. Is it to stop the gravel and the dirt from mixing? In this case, something like sheets of newspaper or used burlap sacks might do the job.  

Antonio Scotti wrote:Jay, Travis, the more I think of it the more I become convinced of how right you are. I think there is no real need there of having a geotextile fabric
and as for the grass, it may probably overgrow a little bit in spring time, which is the time of the year that can receive some substantial amount o rain
but it can be perfectly be mowed every now and then.

As for the grass, the photo was taken just a few days ago, there is not much grass around because we are at the end of summer/start of fall, which is usually very dry
and also the grass that was cut before summer decomposed very quickly, but there is no grazing going on there. Need to resow the field again soon.

Travis, how much gravel, what thickness I mean, do you think I can/should use and what type? I read that there are several types, some have a more uniform composition while others have
stones of different sizes in just one mix
Should I use something to contain the gravel on the other side of the stone wall, like a course of rocks all along the gravel road (by the way there is no fence there, just some posts to mark the road border)?
We have lots of dry stone wall type of rock in the property that could be used for that purpose.
Best

John C Daley wrote:I am surprised at the depth of cut you have made. A vertical wall will be unstable in most soil conditions.
If you moved the track out a bit further and used any cut material as fill on the lefy hand side, it may be a beter outcome.

Antonio Scotti wrote:

John C Daley wrote:I am surprised at the depth of cut you have made. A vertical wall will be unstable in most soil conditions.
If you moved the track out a bit further and used any cut material as fill on the lefy hand side, it may be a beter outcome.

Hi John, the straight angle cut that is visible in the photo was already a dry stone wall, but it was very deteriorated, so the operator took everything off and the dry stone wall will be rebuilt.

Antonio Scotti wrote:By the way, I asked the machine operator to actually slope out a little bit the surface of the access path towards the field in order to have a better drainage and discharge excess water where the trees will be....I wonder if it was a good decision.
Also, do yo think that the actual surface of the pathway will need to be compacted by the machine before actually pouring the gravel? If this is so, then some of the trees may probably suffer a bit because some of them are quite close to the pathway so their root systems won't probably be able t extend very much below the pathway (or so I think)

Antonio Scotti wrote:Hi,
I'd need to use a geotextile fabric as a support layer for a gravel layer on the surface of a dirt access road, but would like to find about products that don't use plastic fibers or some other type of alternative to geotextile even.
Does anyone know any?
Thanks

Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:

Antonio Scotti wrote:Hi,
I'd need to use a geotextile fabric as a support layer for a gravel layer on the surface of a dirt access road, but would like to find about products that don't use plastic fibers or some other type of alternative to geotextile even.
Does anyone know any?
Thanks

Since you can grow hemp legally in Spain, have you thought about carbon fibers from hemp? Ford actually made carbon fiber from hemp for car panels so the technology exists, even if it might be out of reach for most of us. The material flexes but will not fall apart because it is not biodegradable. It could be woven to let the rain through if that is important to your project or made solid and impervious if you want. It can be reclaimed as well [although at great expense, I think] once you are through with it.
I'll confess that I know nothing of the process but if Ford, the automaker was doing it with his early models, it may be a possibility?
Good luck on your project. Keep us updated as we are trying to revive the hemp industry in Wisconsin [now that is is legal again].

Antonio Scotti wrote:

Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:

Antonio Scotti wrote:Hi,
I'd need to use a geotextile fabric as a support layer for a gravel layer on the surface of a dirt access road, but would like to find about products that don't use plastic fibers or some other type of alternative to geotextile even.
Does anyone know any?
Thanks

Since you can grow hemp legally in Spain, have you thought about carbon fibers from hemp? Ford actually made carbon fiber from hemp for car panels so the technology exists, even if it might be out of reach for most of us. The material flexes but will not fall apart because it is not biodegradable.
By the why it is not biodegradable?

My mind was elsewhere when I stated that hemp is not biodegradable: I was thinking about car panels made of hemp, so strong, solid and the kind that does not melt in the rain. I was wrong. Hemp itself is biodegradable. It is all in what you mix the hemp fiber with.
When mixed with some petroleum products, it can be formed into a 'plastic' that is not easily degraded. Even that will degrade in time but you will be left with tiny bits of 'plastic' which may not be great for the environment.

Hemp plastic is completely biodegradable:
"Meanwhile, hemp plastic can be completely biodegradable when made with biodegradable polymers. Unlike conventional plastics, plastic made from hemp doesn't contribute to permanent pollution. In the right environment hemp plastic takes around 3-6 months to decompose.May 3, 2019".
7 Ways Hemp Plastic Could Change the World - Green Flower
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