What's it worth? Helping each other with pricing on the tools of the trade.

I'm sitting here at an auction, and I often wonder what a good price for something is. People like us often deal with items that are not common, or at least haven't been for about a century or so. Sometimes a quick ebay search can help. Sometimes it merely confuses things. Sometimes it yields no results, or you don't have a clue what something's called, so you can't look it up.

A general websearch can sometimes help, but most often not. So how about the Permie community? I understand there are regional differences and such, but it is a start, and perhaps can be a good place for everyone to learn what stuff is, and what it's worth when buying or selling.

I encourage people to try using old stuff when possible. It's often better quality than can be bought today, and the embodied energy and resources used to make it is already done, unlike new stuff. And...old stuff just has class!

So, I'll start. I know next to nothing about spinning wheels except that they are neat, would be difficult to make from scratch, and I want one. What's it worth?

Any chance there is a JO or other makers mark on that?  

It's not in good shape, but iF it is what I think it is, and I'm pretty sure it is, snatch it up for anything under $200.  This is possibly one of the most sought after and 19th Century wheels - but the maker(s) did make a lot of them.  It's a family business but this looks like a JO or J8 version.  It's like the singer of antique spinning wheels - I have two and they are my main workhorses.

But the flyer and bobbin don't look right for that wheel so it would be a few hundred dollars to fix that.  Unless that's made by JO's dad... it's hard to see in the photos.  

Anyway, with work, that will easily fetch $600 in my town.  More back East.  

Oh, and WHATEVER you do, if you do get it, don't strip the paint off.  It's SUPPOSED to be yellow.  Changing it to a natural wood finish would be a lot of work and half the value.  

from here https://www.spwhsl.com/product/issue-105-july-2019/

Ouellet Family of Spinning Wheel Makers
Caroline Foty introduced wheels marked J O, made by Jérémie Ouellet, in Issue #71. Since then, using the marks found on wheels, she has been able to trace his sons, Pantaléon and Ludger; a grandson, Lucien; and a great-grandson, named Guy. She describes the wheels constructed by the four generations of this family from Quebec.

I can see Pantaléon's signature on the top of the table/bench.  

Very nice.  

r ranson wrote:from here https://www.spwhsl.com/product/issue-105-july-2019/

Ouellet Family of Spinning Wheel Makers
Caroline Foty introduced wheels marked J O, made by Jérémie Ouellet, in Issue #71. Since then, using the marks found on wheels, she has been able to trace his sons, Pantaléon and Ludger; a grandson, Lucien; and a great-grandson, named Guy. She describes the wheels constructed by the four generations of this family from Quebec.

I can see Pantaléon's signature on the top of the table/bench.  

Very nice.  

Apparently a useful side-effect of this thread is cutting down on research time as well! Thank you so much! I bought it before I saw your post. Apparently in Kentucky they're worth $75! No one even bid against me...it's sad how things like this are only considered decoration here. Yes, it looks like some parts have been forced to fit. I'll have to dig into it later. Hopefully I should be able to make anything it needs to get it going. Thanks again!

Antiques Roadshow, Permie Edition.

r ranson wrote:Oh, and WHATEVER you do, if you do get it, don't strip the paint off.  It's SUPPOSED to be yellow.  Changing it to a natural wood finish would be a lot of work and half the value.  

Yes, I intend to keep the original mustard paint finish. I like to preserve things for their history as long as no one has already messed with it. I also got a Kelly Registered axe; it's been ground a little, not sure how much I'll clean it up.

I'm also thinking with such a disparity of prices, how can we come up with a thread to facilitate people in areas where an item is cheaper getting them to people in areas where it is more expensive?

Douglas Alpenstock wrote:Antiques Roadshow, Permie Edition.

Yes! Exactly!

It looks like a Padaris CPW. Canadian Production Wheel. Lucky you!

Carol Denton wrote:It looks like a Padaris CPW. Canadian Production Wheel. Lucky you!

close.

It's actually a Ouellet wheel.  The Ouellets were a family of spinning wheel makers in Quebec in the 19th and early 20th Century.  The Spinning Wheel Sleuth has some great articles on their history.

Padaris is also an excellent maker of wheels.  Their wheels are generally smaller and have more ornate turnings.  They also had a stain or dark wood look.  The Ouellet wheels are almost all ugly yellow.  

Jordan Holland wrote:

Apparently a useful side-effect of this thread is cutting down on research time as well! Thank you so much! I bought it before I saw your post. Apparently in Kentucky they're worth $75! No one even bid against me...it's sad how things like this are only considered decoration here. Yes, it looks like some parts have been forced to fit. I'll have to dig into it later. Hopefully I should be able to make anything it needs to get it going. Thanks again!

You're lucky there wasn't an experienced spinner in the audience.  These wheels are some of the best production wheels ever made.

I'm not aware of any spinners at all in my area. There are quilt-makers (I'm 30 miles from Paducah, so obviously), and a few knitters and crocheters, but not much. I'm not aware of anyone really into natural fibers here.

I also have just found out that I purchased one of these Oullete wheels. I am wondering about the label on mine.
the wheel is also not together all the way, and I would like to know if it can be repaired?

beautiful wheel.
It looks in pretty good shape.  The footman/conrod looks different than normal.  I can't quite see what's going on there.  

The flyer whorl looks a bit cracked, but it might still function.  Note, the flyer shaft has reverse threading on these - twist clockwise to loosen (unless it's been altered, in which case, it's the reverse).  Twist very gently with steady pressure.  If it doesn't come off easily.  Add a drop of penetrating oil and some warmth and try again.  Repeat.  

r ranson wrote:beautiful wheel.
It looks in pretty good shape.  The footman/conrod looks different than normal.  I can't quite see what's going on there.  

It looks like the end split at the hole and a chunk came off, and someone repaired it with a metal plate.

It has the stamp JO on the end of the table. Can anyone date this for me?