Patrick Thornson wrote:Paul, was ist los mit Google übersetzen?
Es ist so einfach zu bedienen.
Paul, how long do you have until going to work with Sepp?
Needing 3000 words to have a conversation
paul wheaton wrote:
I find that with the CDs I can sometimes try for an hour before I am sick of it. And with duolingo: I really have a mountain of other things to do, so I doubt I have ever spent more than ten minutes there each time. But both have been a big help.
Bobby Eshleman wrote:I used Pimsleur to introduce myself to Spanish. I used the month long course. It was a good introduction but simply falls short on the amount of words it contains. Needing 3000 words to have a conversation, more or less, Pimsleur's few hundred is unfortunately not enough.
Bobby Eshleman wrote:3,000 words is enough for casual conversation. I hate to say it but it is not enough to understand Sepp Holzer talking about permaculture. If you go to the 3,000 most common words list of English and just randomly choose words that you would want to be able to understand when talking about Permaculture, a lot is missing. Words like shrub, nitrogen, temperate, fertility or fertile, ecology, perennial, any word containing "poly", sustainable, bacteria, organism, etc... are all not on that list.
Emma Fredsdotter wrote:
You're assuming, Bobby, that the 3,000 words a person would choose to learn would be the 3,000 most common English words rather than the 3,000 words most necessary for them. If someone took a class and only learned the language in that class, this might be true. They would also need to take several years of evening classes at the level most language classes are given.
Someone who is learning a language with a purpose will not learn "the 3,000 most common English words", as you yourself demonstrate.
But there are also not only different approaches, there are also different standards. When we say that you need more than a native first grader's language ability (circa 2000 words) to talk to someone in a meaningful way, we're setting a pretty high standard. It reminds me a bit of an ancient Greek joke about a scholar (the ancient Greeks loved to make fun of scholars) who vowed that he would not enter the water again until he had first learned how to swim well.