Apple rootstock & scion discussion for US - vigor & disease resistance

Hey Folks,
I‘m a big fan of standard size high vigor rootstocks for both longevity and disease & pest resistance of the overall tree.
Usually grafting onto Antonovka. What can I say, I’m german. I like old reliable Russian work horses. And they are so easy to grow from seed.
Problem is, I’m currently planning a new project in coastal Oregon. And have little to no experience with some of the scions I have decided I want to grow there.
So I would really appreciate if some of the Americans in here could chime in and let me know if the following scions should graft well onto Antonovka. Alternatively I can always use M-111 I guess. Would really like to get my hands on some G.890. Has anyone tried G.890? I hear & read very good things about it. I generally refuse to grow on anything smaller than M-111. Don’t get me started. But G.890 seems to be quite the bomb. Would love to hear some feedback.
Anyhow. Below are my planned scions. Trying to stick to at or below 1,000 chill hours, because I’m not certain I have more reliably.
If anyone has seen these perform on Antonovka, I would love a thumbs up. I mean, everything grows on Antonovka, right?! I’m just a little antsy with some of those modern bred disease resistant american cultivars I’ve never seen. I mean, are there any reasons modern scions like Belmac or Enterprise WOULDN’T do well on Antonovka? The older American varieties should definitely be fine, right?
Thanks guys.
Here we go.

Totally unsure I am about:
(Anna) because global warming?
Akane
Spartan
Belmac
Liberty
Enterprise

Then pretty sure will be fine is:
William’s Pride
Pink Pearl
Wynoochee Early
Gravenstein (Not so sure I want to grow it actually, how is it with diseases in the PNW?)
Arlie Red Flesh
Pendragon (if I could just find one!)
Lemon Pippin
Baldwin
Ashmead’s Kernel
Winesap

What I definitely know does well on Antonovka is:
Golden Russet
Roxbury Russet
Hudson’s Gold
Zabergau Renette
Bramley
Boskoop
Gold Rush

So, what do you all think? Look like a decent selection for coastal OR? Let me tell you, it’s not easy to start growing on a different continent. I was very tempted to smuggle in my favorite scions from Germany (didn’t of course). But then I remembered local adaptation is a thing, so yeah. Mostly American apples it is. Never tried anything red fleshed, those are really just experiments.
Anyhow. If you all could let me know on the rootstock compatibility, I would appreciate it.
And in general, what I might need to consider growing apples in mid coastal Oregon.
I’m big on soil nutrition & biome optimization and amend with charged biochar, azomite, composted manures and several types of fertilizer & compost teas. Also grow a diverse understory of herbs, berries & flowers. Soil is heavily mulched. In Germany I got away with a zero intervention approach, because I grew mostly highly disease resistant or generally hardy scions on high vigor rootstocks in an optimized ecological environment. Can I get away with the same thing here? Some of the scions stock out as being too finicky? Flowering groups are covered, I’m aware of all the triploids in there. Will plant a few white & pink crabapples and usually graft a pollination branch onto triploids.
Anyway. Sorry for the novel. Really appreciate the input.

Welcome to the US!!!

You do seem a little anxious... Well for starters, the PNW has a ton of diversity and apples is one of the main Ag crops. But the PNW has everything from the oceans to the mountains and everything in between. There are also commercial nurseries as well as universities o’ plenty (getting your preferred resources might not be too difficult).

I’ve never been one to geek out on the retentive aspects of propagation (specific rootstocks for grafting, genetic clones, myths of hybridizations, etc... Yes I have done all that in botany and plant science classes, and yes, I can rattle off botanical names and Latin names and I can be like a kid in a candy store whenever I visit a botanical garden, but I’m mostly just chill and like to see what nature can do).

I love seeds, I love the little surprises and local climate adaptations that seeds offer. I love diversity and abhor monoculture. There are times when I need to pump out a lot of plants and grafting is the answer. There have been times where I have purchased scions and/or rootstocks from local nurseries, but I much prefer to find and grow my own, and I really prefer growing from seed above all others. Especially seeds of heirloom varietals. My second favorite is growing seeds from hybrids, cus that’s like Christmas in the spring time and a lot of fun. I just go looking for healthy thriving local trees anytime I need rootstocks.

When you land in the US, you can talk to local nurseries and universities and chew the fat over all manners of propagation and local resources as well as local preferences for varietals, disease control, soil types, etc. local experts/knowledgeable people are pretty easy to come by in the US.

I wouldn’t be antsy at all, the earth is the earth no matter which imaginary line you cross. You might run into some very cool hippies or some nightmare rednecks, but most places around the world have plenty of normal people, and many of them like eating apples. And really, part of the fun about moving to a new place is making new friends, and you are going to need something to bond over... Perhaps that’s some G.890s and Antonovka.

Oh, and Gravensteins do well in the PNW costal areas, and everything is relative. The land will tell you what it wants and needs (and good soil testing helps us listen).

Good luck!

Sounds like some really neat varieties you're trying out Inga, and welcome to Permies the US!

I'm a big fan of vigorous rootstock as well, particularly growing them on their own roots. It seems like there are so many benefits with it.

I haven't heard of any incompatibility issues with Antonovka, and it seems like the vigorous/seedling rootstock are especially good for grafting. I grafted a lot this year onto seedling rootstock, and I had very high grafting success rates, and the trees have been incredibly healthy and a lot of them are vigorous growers.

From your list I'm currently growing Enterprise, Ashmead's Kernel, and Winesap. All have been doing really well on the seedling rootstock so far. Would love to hear how all of the varieties turn out for you!

How long does it take for apples grafted on Antonovka to produce fruit?

Holly Dubyna wrote:How long does it take for apples grafted on Antonovka to produce fruit?

I'm curious about this as well. I just grafted for the first time and I used Antonovka for two of them. I'm also really interested to try growing Antonovka for it's own fruit as well. I heard that it is good to eat.