Idea for a couple of new groups for the forums -

Doomers - idea being to lay out an area for those with the worst case scenario ideas to put it out. Many of the end of society philosophy see permaculture as having some ideologically compatible tenets, in regards to self sufficiency. Would be interesting to give these people a place to voice their ideas, even it does involve guns and eating cockroaches

Endgame - philosophical questions, the basics behind "permanent culture", and not the whole problem that humanity has suffered with over the last 2000 years, mainly the growth and conflict of differing ideologies. If we are to have differing basic philosophies, how do we keep humanities goals in check with the realities of what is sustainable. Democracy has been found out to be the ideal political system of free market economics as it gives you the ability to buy power. I think that the older ethos of "elder" should be something that is a better foundation for society. But that's me. I do figure that permaculture, as being a meme that pulls in ideas from so many different cultures and belief systems, is a great overall boundary in which to study these things, the same way as we study "guilds" of plants and systems.

Anyway, I know that a lot of people have become scared of these overall topics (with reason) but I still think it is something that needs to be talked about. Acceptance of the norm is...blah.

Ponzi schemes are unsustainable in all forms.

It'd be better to have a thread that posed solutions in line with permaculture as opposed to just a doomer thread. I'd love to see a poll of how many permaculturalists have guns (handy if you have animals). I'd prefer to eat a cockroach via a chicken though.

James Slaughter wrote:Doomers - idea being to lay out an area for those with the worst case scenario ideas to put it out. Many of the end of society philosophy see permaculture as having some ideologically compatible tenets, in regards to self sufficiency. Would be interesting to give these people a place to voice their ideas, even it does involve guns and eating cockroaches

A couple messageboards I can recommend:

Silent Country - doom news, doom discussion and doom prep http://forums.silentcountry.com/forums/forum.php

Sustainable Country - farming, sustainable living, prep and discussion by doom-aware folks (much less doomy than Silent Country) http://forums.sustainablecountry.com/forums/forum.php

I come to permies because Paul doesn't allow certain kinds of discussions, and I hope he continues to not allow those kinds of discussions. I understand that for some they are important to discuss, but I have watched people go from on the same side and discussing plans for moving forward, to at each other's throats over a simple political disagreement. I could absolutely be wrong but I feel a lot of the reason permies has much more peace and actual information sharing is because the other stuff isn't allowed, and we aren't being distracted by it. Sucks that to get adults to get along you have to set discussion rules, but on the internet anonymity + audience = negative.

LaLena MaeRee wrote:I come to permies because Paul doesn't allow certain kinds of discussions, and I hope he continues to not allow those kinds of discussions. I understand that for some they are important to discuss, but I have watched people go from on the same side and discussing plans for moving forward, to at each other's throats over a simple political disagreement. I could absolutely be wrong but I feel a lot of the reason permies has much more peace and actual information sharing is because the other stuff isn't allowed, and we aren't being distracted by it. Sucks that to get adults to get along you have to set discussion rules, but on the internet anonymity + audience = negative.

I can agree. I like the political thread that does not allow for discussions! First time I have ever seen that rule.

Oh, I do agree there is going to be an adjustment coming that has no solution, only adaptation. Permaculture and homesteading offers a clean responsible life less effected by the changes.

If folks want to discuss challenging topics among permaculturists, the PRI messageboard has a "big picture" section in which to address topics such as politics, spirituality, etc: http://forums.permaculture.org.au/forumdisplay.php?12-The-big-picture

The main goal here at permies.com is to build a strong community of people who are focused on the positive solutions to making all of our lives better. While many issues need to be discussed, this is not the proper place for that. Many of those issues tend to divide people into conflicting groups. If User X makes a statement that many people don't like, a lot of those people will begin skipping over all of his/her posts. Knowledge does not get shared if we ignore people who we may not agree with on other issues.

Our goal is to unite people, not divide them. Any subject that divides people is counterproductive to the purpose of this site.

There are plenty of sites on the web that specialize in those kinds of discussions. For those that wish to debate those issues, visit those sites, but be forewarned that you may need to wear a flameproof suit.

Tyler Ludens wrote:If folks want to discuss challenging topics among permaculturists, the PRI messageboard has a "big picture" section in which to address topics such as politics, spirituality, etc: http://forums.permaculture.org.au/forumdisplay.php?12-The-big-picture

Thanks for the headsup Tyler!

As to the concerns that people apparently have, I would have thought the fact that it would be separated into different forum topics would give the opportunity to ignore it or read it as they see fit. Guess friction has created fire in these forums before. Fair enough.

maybe you could do a search on "doomer forums" or " end time forums" or other similar things..also there are some religions that have these beliefs that may also have forums to go along with them so you might search by those religions (can't remember which ones but you might be able to find out by just doing searchs with similar topics like long storage foods, etc.)

For me I hope for no more new added groups. Enough already, I thought personally it was easier to navigate and find my nterests in the earlier less cluttered version.

Robert Ray wrote: For me I hope for no more new added groups. Enough already, I thought personally it was easier to navigate and find my nterests in the earlier less cluttered version.

I felt that way too but I thought I might just be resisting the change.

I think these topics are important and I like the idea we have in the politics and justice forum, where people make links to that information elsewhere.

As for "too many forums": there is stuff so users can select which forums show up for them on the main forum page. Click on "my profile" at the top.

I appreciate this site as info only and that's why I use it often - thanks to all for adding a ton to my knowledge base. I do go to other sites as they have specific info I want, but it irritates the hell out of me that I have to wade through their view points about everything to get to applicable info., so thanks Paul!!! Cj for your "survey" - yeah we have guns; we live deep in a forest and don't consider going very far without a side arm - it would be plain stupid.