• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • Nancy Reading
  • John F Dean
  • r ranson
  • Jay Angler
  • paul wheaton
stewards:
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Leigh Tate
  • Devaka Cooray
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Matt McSpadden
  • Jeremy VanGelder

Fonio

 
master steward
Posts: 7002
Location: southern Illinois, USA
2556
goat cat dog chicken composting toilet food preservation pig bee solar wood heat homestead
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
What can anyone tell me about Fonio?  Can it be grown in the Midwest?  My wife stumbled across an article on it and had become interested.
 
master steward
Posts: 12495
Location: Pacific Wet Coast
7045
duck books chicken cooking food preservation ungarbage
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Digitaria exilis, referred to as findi or fundi in areas of Africa, such as The Gambia, with English common names white fonio, fonio millet, and hungry rice or acha rice, is a grass species.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitaria_exilis

Husking it is an issue. It's gluten free. It's fast growing/maturing.

A fellow won an award for designing a machine to husk it, but that may only be available in Africa.
 
pollinator
Posts: 1361
Location: zone 4b, sandy, Continental D
385
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

John F Dean wrote:What can anyone tell me about Fonio?  Can it be grown in the Midwest?  My wife stumbled across an article on it and had become interested.




Do not despair, John. A young Senegalese by the name of Sanoussi Diakité, [Rolex Laureate, 1996] invented a machine to husk this tiny grain. the fact that is is quite nutritious and gluten free should encourage many to try and grow it, even if we can't go commercial with it.
You can see him in this video and catch glimpses of his machine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58qpy5EA_W8
He speaks in French, coming from Senegal, but the video is dubbed in English.
I found more information, but it is in French more information about the machine, and there, you can see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Og4DosOrJyA
It is powered by an electric motor and works somewhat like a coffee grinder but larger, to deal with larger quantities. There are several steps before running it through the machine. They didn't show how to remove the stem of this cereal, but they presented just the grain, which is very tiny and grows all along the stem, so they first had to separate the grain from the rest of the plant. In another article, they stated that when the grain is totally ripe, it often shatters, so it is probably better to pick it just on the green side, then dry it?
The first step is to dry the grain really well. They insisted on that. The second one is to run it through. [and just like the coffee grinder, you can dictate how small to grind it. The third it to winnow the mix of grain and chaff.
That is probably a bit tricky too due to how light all particles must be by that time. Several passes of winnowing with a super gentle fan, indoors, would probably give the best  results.
I am looking to buy a little bit of seed and grow it in a 4X8 raised bed and see if I could pass it through my coffee grinder, since the coffee grinder has adjustments from coarse to fine.
If you find a place in Wisconsin that sells that grain, please message me: I'd like to try it, just because.
The fact that it grows in zones 9 and further south is of no importance since even in Wisconsin, someone could make 2, maybe even 3 crops of it. Imagine how helpful that might be for our farmers!
Fonio is considered the world's fastest maturing cereal. Germination occurs just three to four days after sowing, and grain is produced as soon as six weeks after planting. Sowing of fonio typically occurs during May or June before the beginning of the brief rainy season and the plants are harvested in September. [That's in Senegal]
http://www.nuscommunity.org/nus/neglected-underutilized-species/fonio/#:~:text=Fonio%20is%20considered%20the%20world's,plants%20are%20harvested%20in%20September.


 
Posts: 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
What PEST  affect  this grain?
 
Cécile Stelzer Johnson
pollinator
Posts: 1361
Location: zone 4b, sandy, Continental D
385
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

James turuc wrote:What PEST  affect  this grain?



So, first, Welcome to permies, James. I was looking for some kind of grain I could grow in my sand and they said fonio was good in sand, but then, I checked on the possible range [tropical climate] and realized that in Central Wisconsin zone 4b, it wouldn't have much of a chance so I gave up. Plus actually procuring the seed didn't sound easily feasible.
I found this, which might be helpful to you... or not.
https://fonio.cirad.fr/en/the-plant/cultivation#:~:text=Fonio%20is%20grown%20in%20tropical,and%201000%20mm%20of%20rainfall.
At any rate, good luck to you. Tell us more about the zone you live in, the soil, the precipitation. Sometimes, that helps permies to find you what you are looking for.
 
master gardener
Posts: 3384
Location: Carlton County, Minnesota, USA: 3b; Dfb; sandy loam; in the woods
1653
6
forest garden trees chicken food preservation cooking fiber arts woodworking homestead ungarbage
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
This doesn't address its suitability to Midwest growing, but I thought I'd lodge this article here: https://thinklandscape.globallandscapesforum.org/49170/from-west-africa-here-comes-the-next-miracle-grain-fonio/
 
Jay Angler
master steward
Posts: 12495
Location: Pacific Wet Coast
7045
duck books chicken cooking food preservation ungarbage
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Christopher Weeks wrote:This doesn't address its suitability to Midwest growing, ...

The fact that the article says it can mature in as little as 6-8 weeks, seems to open possibilities in areas that get really hot in the summer, if they can count on the heat in a specific window.

The article doesn't say what the temperature range for that period must be. One article suggested that germination requires 25 to 30C (https://fonio.cirad.fr/en/the-plant/cultivation) however, it also mentions that in Guinea, it is produced at altitude where it's cooler.

Christopher's article is very interesting and certainly suggests that if you've got a micro-climate area that is consistently hot - possibly too hot for other crops - it would be worth some experiments. It certainly wouldn't grow in my cool climate!

However, there are permies using green houses for fall, winter and spring crops, but can't use them in the summer due to the heat. This might be a crop for that purpose. On my farm, "straw" from grain crops is very useful for all sorts of things, and is actually hard to come by at any sort of reasonable cost.

The talk in Christopher's article does worry me in one way - people encourage small farmers to produce a "product" for "an over-seas market" without considering that everything that is exported is removing nutrients from the land. I am happier with the permaculture approach which tries to look at the importance of closed-loop systems.
 
Cécile Stelzer Johnson
pollinator
Posts: 1361
Location: zone 4b, sandy, Continental D
385
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Christopher Weeks wrote:This doesn't address its suitability to Midwest growing, but I thought I'd lodge this article here: https://thinklandscape.globallandscapesforum.org/49170/from-west-africa-here-comes-the-next-miracle-grain-fonio/



Thanks, Christopher,. Yes, I had forgotten that the worst barrier to fonio is indeed the laborious processing of the seed and how even when processing by hand, some sand remains in the product. [that would make it OK for my chickens, but humans don't care so much for sand. Considering that a crop can be ready in 8 weeks, though, makes it possible to grow it pretty much anywhere in the lower 48.
Now, how do we go about getting seed?
 
Cécile Stelzer Johnson
pollinator
Posts: 1361
Location: zone 4b, sandy, Continental D
385
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Jay Angler wrote:

Christopher Weeks wrote:This doesn't address its suitability to Midwest growing, ...

The fact that the article says it can mature in as little as 6-8 weeks, seems to open possibilities in areas that get really hot in the summer, if they can count on the heat in a specific window.

The article doesn't say what the temperature range for that period must be. One article suggested that germination requires 25 to 30C (https://fonio.cirad.fr/en/the-plant/cultivation) however, it also mentions that in Guinea, it is produced at altitude where it's cooler.

Christopher's article is very interesting and certainly suggests that if you've got a micro-climate area that is consistently hot - possibly too hot for other crops - it would be worth some experiments. It certainly wouldn't grow in my cool climate!

However, there are permies using green houses for fall, winter and spring crops, but can't use them in the summer due to the heat. This might be a crop for that purpose. On my farm, "straw" from grain crops is very useful for all sorts of things, and is actually hard to come by at any sort of reasonable cost.

The talk in Christopher's article does worry me in one way - people encourage small farmers to produce a "product" for "an over-seas market" without considering that everything that is exported is removing nutrients from the land. I am happier with the permaculture approach which tries to look at the importance of closed-loop systems. [/quote

If the seed was easier to come by, I'd be willing to give it a whirl. I totally agree with you on the uses of fonio as straw, as well, and also on encouraging small farmers to grow their fonio for their 'foreign' market. It is their grain and it should benefit them first. I read elsewhere [and in French] that a local man had found a way to create a machine that was giving superior cleaning results as far as cleanliness of the seed. It looked somewhat like a coffee grinder, but just a bit larger.
It was still no the kind of machine that could process a hundred pounds an hour, but much better than doing it by hand.

 
Christopher Weeks
master gardener
Posts: 3384
Location: Carlton County, Minnesota, USA: 3b; Dfb; sandy loam; in the woods
1653
6
forest garden trees chicken food preservation cooking fiber arts woodworking homestead ungarbage
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I know a guy on Facebook who is growing Fonio in Northern Indianna. I sort of invited him to come here and participate, but it looks like that's not happening. So, if you Facebook, you could read about his experiences here:

20180731 - https://www.facebook.com/groups/heritage.grain.trials/permalink/1055098501331108/
20240102 - https://www.facebook.com/john.sherck/posts/pfbid0327nVsYStyFSLbhiDLN7PYw7GoKtgho8g4HRXzKAfCkV77epqfdwnLBZqi5gasjSKl
20240501 - https://www.facebook.com/john.sherck/posts/pfbid02M1GnFj6LsovvzfFm51YhAqJqMyLHy39mQA5976QwXwZcAskzr6poxCZPTZs5n9f5l
20240506 - https://www.facebook.com/john.sherck/posts/pfbid02bvmCysNGCt6WqDcuGLqrU9TRYnCQbrwoEpVPGDdw5w8pTCvpwdxALUEgXUwVz2Vql
 
Why am I so drawn to cherry pie? I can't seem to stop. Save me tiny ad!
turnkey permaculture paradise for zero monies
https://permies.com/t/267198/turnkey-permaculture-paradise-monies
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic