Tech-free Community

Mariya Bee wrote:
Kudra, thank you so much for sharing! Will you be in New York City or nearby anytime soon? Maybe we outa meet and chat!

Unfortunately not, I'm in Australia with no plans for heading to the US again, though I have been there quite a few times in the past. But I feel your pain. There's a great episode on TGS that I think you would resonate with:

https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/167-francis-weller

Hello all!

We are on 11 acres in Maine and dedicated to resisting Digital Slavery and the Technocratic takeover currently happening in the US and abroad. While I'm so grateful for the internet, the slow rollout of Digital ID, and the already present surveillance system means it's time for us to leave. Anyone interested, feel free to private message me.

its super cool to see that others are getting the "vibe" that its time to flee from civilization.   I'm curious if anyone feels this way because of biblical prophecies or if its just a gut feeling.   How do we do a pole here?  


Leave civilization:

gut feeling?
response to prophecy?
other?

I'm with you tho.   The phone is last thing I gave up ... something in me caused me to forget mine on top of the car one day, and I haven't felt called to replace.

I still have these to give up:

alcohol -- just learned about using old/damaged fruits to make cider ...prolly gonna have a phase on that, but making it without extra sugar which will likely keep it <5%

truck/car  -- my plan is to steadily move further away from populated areas so its safe to get around with donkey/cart ... maybe electric bicycle

electricity -- currently I'm super enjoying having a small fridge and a small window unit, but I'm down to make the switch to solar panels only next

propane -- super excited to switch to wood heating or even better ... buried cabin.   In Texas we don't really need heat

internet -- I believe there will be a time on earth when we live under a one world government that will insist all people "bow" to the leader.   I believe that the wearing of masks during covid was practice for that.   Everyone will be asked to do something ridiculous to prove their loyalty.   When that time comes, I will for sure be completely off the internet

store bought food -- I'm still learning to build dry weather food forests, not there yet, but growing/foraging all my own food is for sure the goal.

Of all the things I've given up already ... like running water, I don't miss at all.   Once you learn the new daily routine, life is sooo much simpler, rewarding, and stress free ...even tho you gotta work harder, it makes you feel better and healthier.

James Bradford wrote:its super cool to see that others are getting the "vibe" that its time to flee from civilization.   I'm curious if anyone feels this way because of biblical prophecies or if its just a gut feeling.   How do we do a pole here?  


Leave civilization:

gut feeling?
response to prophecy?
other?

I'm with you tho.   The phone is last thing I gave up ... something in me caused me to forget mine on top of the car one day, and I haven't felt called to replace.

I still have these to give up:

alcohol -- just learned about using old/damaged fruits to make cider ...prolly gonna have a phase on that, but making it without extra sugar which will likely keep it <5%

truck/car  -- my plan is to steadily move further away from populated areas so its safe to get around with donkey/cart ... maybe electric bicycle

electricity -- currently I'm super enjoying having a small fridge and a small window unit, but I'm down to make the switch to solar panels only next

propane -- super excited to switch to wood heating or even better ... buried cabin.   In Texas we don't really need heat

internet -- I believe there will be a time on earth when we live under a one world government that will insist all people "bow" to the leader.   I believe that the wearing of masks during covid was practice for that.   Everyone will be asked to do something ridiculous to prove their loyalty.   When that time comes, I will for sure be completely off the internet

store bought food -- I'm still learning to build dry weather food forests, not there yet, but growing/foraging all my own food is for sure the goal.

Of all the things I've given up already ... like running water, I don't miss at all.   Once you learn the new daily routine, life is sooo much simpler, rewarding, and stress free ...even tho you gotta work harder, it makes you feel better and healthier.

Hey James! Thank you for sharing. You're on a great track! Love your journey! For me, it was definitely a gut feeling. I feel like I am part of nature and nature wants to change things through me. Technology is separating us from our home and each other.

And yes, yes, I'm aware of the irony. Using technology to find people to leave technology with! Maybe if it didn't exist, we wouldn't need to create this revolution ... haha

Maybe you could join or start an offline club to meet people with similar values. Good luck!

Have you heard of the Possibility Alliance? they started in Missouri and created quite the community there, but moved to Maine in 2018. I lived with them for a year. They live completely without any electricity or petroleum. Zero technology. The hand pump their water from a cistern underground collected from rainwater on the roof. They use a wood stove for cooking and heating and hand saws for all of their wood needs. They are pretty into the social justice scene so that is a lot of their foundation. They teach classes around a lot of social justice stuff and living without technology. Below I linked to  an article someone did on them, they came and took photos and did interviews while I was actually living there.  There is a phone number on the article that goes to their landline. Ethan is a very very social guy and would love to talk to anybody about their lifestyle. If you have any questions or if you want to see how they do things definitely feel free to call the number. Either Sarah or Ethan are great to chat with. You can even tell them that Jaime sent you! I haven’t talked to them in years, but we had a great relationship at the time.

https://naturalbuildingblog.com/maine-family-lives-without-cars-electricity-and-money/

Mariya Bee wrote:Thank you for sharing, Destiny. I was curious about a place like Liechtenstein. I'm open to do something abroad!

Liechtenstein is an old aristocracy holding/leftover. It is tiny, more a citystate then a country total area wise.
If you want somewhere in Europe (still the continent with the friendliest weather compared to every other continent), look into a country with more space, less population density, no brewing regional tensions (so balkans is out), enough water (leaves out most of the south / mediteranian countries due to big forest fires, serious heat, no rain for months and wells going dry). Italy is dry, earthquake risk and south is maffia with big say and esp. countryside. Spain / iberian peninsula is turning into desert (and water is for tourism on the coast and big ag.) Greece also dry + rocks, mountains so fertile soil is scarce. Balkans is somewhat like that + ongoing tensions between the various ethnic groups. Hungary has liberty issues, and the east is although cheap also dry, poor healthcare has difficulties, big business gets away with whatever (corruption issues) and Russia is being a pain (including badmouthing whatever getss the local population stirred up to keep the goverment busy internally ...
Some parts of France, Germany and the Alps (italian at least) have options due to empty rural hamlets, but bring money, skills and know what you may do yourself and what needs proof of skill for you to diy. Sometimes insurance may demand such, so will government grants for insulation and assorted energy saving measures. Now the empty rural thing also applies to spain, portugal and italy, but not all of those countries allow owner rebuild without proof of skill. And the cost of labour is like 80-95% of the work. Yes, you do need to know what you are doing, most likely it is old building techniques and those don't do well mixed with cement (and a lot of that was used in 80-90 to modernize them).
So, you need knowledge i.e. internet, because the locals may not know what modern stuff can be compatible building wise. Government with good rule of law and even if it is just in the community hall communication to the outside world. You isolate yourself, you make such a community very vulnarable to malice and greed. Not to mention no help from your neighbours where that is needed most. Countryside may be more distant houses wise, but working together is what keeps them all thriving. Even as a group you'll need help (and give it in return).
Now "isolated" often means mountains, so even without the no tech ideal forget about tractors and such, they'd tumble down the mountain. It also means different resources and if you want to be selfsustaining/self sufficient (i.e. no groceries/supermarket) you'll need a lot of land per person and adapt the diet to what food can be raised or grown. You may end up going dairy, meat, eggs and fruit/nuts over grains (needs flat-ish land) while herbivores do very well in this landscape where grazing up hill means heads are closer to the grass.
Also : there are plenty of people picking such environments when young, but find out that getting about on slopes becomes difficult with age. That means you either move to flatter terrain when you get older or your body limits your ability to get about. The locals won't have such problems because they grew up with it.

Your dream is lovely, but requiers young, healthy people to do and will come with a lot of wear and tear before 45. Minimizing tech and being critical of what and where to use it has merrit, but so does a washingmachine. There is a reason rural = big families, children are free labour from a fairly early age and by the time the parents start to creak (40-50) the oldest can pick up the slack. You step into such a system with few or no children, no conditoning for this kind of labour and a cohesion dependant on ideals rather then family habits you'll need compromises to last for any length of time.

Thank you Jaime and Tamara!