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Hmm. Something tells me Bill Mollison didn’t have as much organizational stress. He set things up so that he died, and permies all over the world said “Rest In Peace”, and then went about business as usual. He created self-replicating self-maintaining people systems that didn’t require his involvement at all. Another effect of this was that he had little to no control of how these systems evolved. Maybe Paul is making a different trade-off: more directional control for more stress. But maybe he can strategically optimize for specific points of influence that maximize leverage and minimize stress.

Said by someone who has little actual experience in this area.
 
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I think one of the powers of people/groups who've worked really hard, is that they make it look easy. Every time we get a new moderator on staff, they are amazed at JUST HOW MUCH goes on behind the scenes. We have over 50 active staff, and lots more that come and go as life allows. And even still, we stay really busy just keeping permies awesome. Paul doesn't put much of his time into managing us volunteers. I'd say maybe 3 hours a week--less on some weeks when there's nothing we have to ask him about. BUT, that's just the forum volunteers. That's not the programming for the forum. That's not the youtube, podcasts, kickstarters, events, managing Wheaton Labs, or all the other stuff he does. The more I know about what Paul's up to, the more I realize just how many little things take up his time. And he delegates a lot, and is very hands off on most things. And yet, there's still a ton.

Knowing how much Paul does, I can only imagine that Bill Molison was likely just as busy, though perhaps in different ways. When you want to change the world, even when you're creating systems to make that change, it still takes a lot of time and brain power to find those systems, hone those systems, and train those systems, and put in enough effort to get those systems cranking along.
 
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I ain't been on Permies very long and I've been impressed with just about everything. I know it takes a lot of work and time to process, review and respond to emails and posts. Even longer to review ridiculous demands.
I don't understand people sometimes, well, usually...hmmm how about normally? I just can't wrap my head around some of the demands I've read. My wife is a do-it-my-way-cause-its-the -best-way type. Drives me nuts. I can't imagine this on a massive scale. Paul has been doing this for years, too!
Bravo Zulu, Paul! Good on ya, brother!
 
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