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One of my neighbors has a front yard completely covered in pine needles and I'm thinking of asking them if I could borrow all of them.
Is there any complications to using pine needle mulch?
My soil is slightly on the alkaline side by itself.
 
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I have 3 very large pine trees in the back portion of my yard and have been using pine needles and cones as mulch for my magnolias, azaleas, and rhododendrons. I also use needles and cones for mulching my blueberries, raspberries and blackberries. Once those things are completed, I gather and save the rest of the cones and needles in an opentop container an allow them to dry out in my garage. I use them to start outdoor patio fires. Throw some dried needles and cones into the bottom of a fire pit with wood on top and you can usually get the fire going with a match! You can also put needles into the compost bin, as long as you don't get too crazy with the ratios.
 
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What kind of ratio would you use?
 
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Hau, Thomas, you mention your soil is slightly alkaline, do you know what the pH is at this time?

Most plants do very well in a pH of 6.5 + or - .2 If your current pH is within this range (which is slightly alkaline) then the addition of pine needles may tip it closer to or over 7.0 (neutral soil pH).

Composting pine needles with manures and greens could be a great way to use them, again it will depend on pH. One way to use a lot of them, and not have big worries about garden soil pH is to use them for pathways
as already mentioned, any acid loving plantings will benefit from a mulching of pine needles.
 
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I live in a pine forest basically and I worried about using the pine needles.
They have worked very well in my flower beds and the vegetable garden.
Walter Reeves "the Georgia Gardener" says they are not acidic as they break
down. His website would have info on it.

The soil I started with was so bad I figured there was no point in testing it.
At this point, a few years in, it is beginning to come along and I wonder how
it would test. I am trying to follow Paul's recommendation to not import
amendments. I don't generate enough leaves of deciduous trees to mulch
my whole vegetable garden. So pine needles come in handy.
 
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We have 2 huge 60+ year old deodar trees that constantly drop needles. We decided to cover all bare areas with pine needles, and it works out pretty well. To do the original cover, we had to grab the needles from the guy down the block that had a deodar tree of his own, but now the trees keep up with never ending replacements.
 
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I dug lots of pine needles I to my soil when I started a new garden bed. When I dug it up a few months later the pine needles had completely decomposed, and the plants are doing well in it. They seem to be great stuff, and mulching will help it stay mulched for a while as they don’t break down fast.

I’m thinking of mulching heavily every spring, then in autumn digging it all into the ground as that’s when my garden kicks off growing like crazy (lots of rain and no snow where I live).
 
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The thing I like about using pine needles as mulch is that they sort of lock together to form a mat which little weeds have trouble growing through.
 
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With pine needles you also don’t need to worry about them spoiling the soil if they get dug in like you do with wood chips. Worms love it.

All the dense leafy vegetables and weeds I grow in winter turn quite useless in spring as they bolt to seed without leaves to eat. So I now dig the whole plants into the soil to add organic waste. This year I’ll add heaps of pine needles too to add brown waste to the mix. My soil’s dense clay so I need to add so many organic additions to turn it into loam.
 
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Abe Coley wrote:The thing I like about using pine needles as mulch is that they sort of lock together to form a mat which little weeds have trouble growing through.



^ This ^.

They don't blow around and tend to stay put on a a hillside, whereas wood chips tend to move down the hill over time.  And I love the nutty brown color of a uniform layer of pine straw.
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There is no truth to the idea that pine needles acidify the soil.  You need decades and decades of pine trees dropping needles and sap and root exudates into the soil before you'd see the PH move even a little bit.  If your soil has any measure of clay in it (which most people have some clay), it'll already be a bit on the alkaline side anyway.

But they do break down quickly, so as a weed barrier, you need to continually refresh the mulch or you'll see those weeds popping up after 6 months.
 
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