posted 9 years ago
Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough. Many of the points you all bring up really don't apply to what I am thinking of doing. First let me describe it better, then I will deal with the objections one at a time.
I was thinking of narrow (like 1' to 2' wide) and or short walls made -- not made from expensive gabion cubes, but from ordinary livestock fencing covered with chicken wire. I only mentioned gabions as a kind of visual aid. I thought I would dig about a foot down, lay down some fence wire in the trench; then put in pairs of T-posts at say, 10' intervals or so and stretch the fence on both sides with the bottom of the fence sitting down in the trench on top of that bottom wire. Then pour a thin slab of concrete over the wire in the bottom of the trench -- to make a floor for everything to sit on-- and plaster the sides with more cement up to soil level (creating a kind of u-shaped channel). After that I would fill the trench with clean plastic, clean jars, etc. to about a foot or so above ground level and tie the fencing together over the top of the layer before adding more filler. Repeat -- alternating wire tires between fences and more fill until I reach whatever height I need. I might add side buttresses made the same way at intervals along a long wall if it is over 4' tall or if it seems too flimsy. Then, when the wall is as high as I need it to go, I would cap it with more fencing tied into the two sides. The final step would be to plaster the entire thing with a 1 inch layer of ferro-cement. That would not only increase the strength, but if done correctly, prevent rain infiltration as well. (Many a water tank and boat have been made from ferro-cement so it can be made waterproof.)
The reason for this is that for the last 24 years, my husband and I have saved alost every steel can, aluminum can, glass jar, etc. that we have ever used. We've cleaned them and stored them with the idea of eventually doing something with them. We're artists, so we sometimes melt the metal or glass for sculpture, and we have also always wanted to incorporate some of the stuff into buildings (think glass bottles to let light into strawbale buildings or aluminum cans as fill between tire walls in earthship designs). Anyway, it is getting to the point that we really need to stop saving them and start using more of them!
Since I have wanted for a long time to build a walled garden to protect less hardy fruit trees and shrubs from our powerful winds (we are up on a very windy hill), I thought this might be a good time to try the trash wall idea.
So, with that in mind ...
Allen Lumley,
You can see now that I am not going to need heavy equipment to move huge gabion baskets around. There will be no "energy cost of collection and storage- prior to assembly into individual cubes". The problem with smell/perception is not an issue with clean containers stored for almost 25 years even IF it was exposed to the air/sight after being encapsulated in ferro-cement. Besides, we have no visible neighbors.
As for this objection ... "If your goal here is to reuse ONLY your-own plastic trash, I would suggest truly trying harder to reduce your waste plastic stream further- only if your own local conditions are not supportive of your best recycling attempts would I consider further addition of more energy input to " make a silk purse out of a sow's ear '' I have to say, in all honesty and humbleness, there are probably no two people living in the so-called civilized western world using LESS stuff than we two. We recycle or re-use EVERYTHING that we buy and we never buy anything new unless we have no choice. We try never to use plastic if it can be had in glass, wood or metal. As for other consumables, I have not owned a single item of clothing that was not second hand since I can remember (and my memory is fine). When we buy a second-hand t-shirt or pair of jeans, it lasts 10 to 15 years before being recycled into rags for cleaning, made into twine for tying up vegetables in the garden or turned into rag rugs, etc. We waste NOTHING! The few plastic containers we do buy generally get recycled as containers for plants or to store things like old nails and screws (recycled from things we have dismantled). Those we can't immediately recycle are washed and saved -- hence this project. (Also, we have access to tons of recycled plastic pop bottles, etc. from our local recycling center if we want it. We recently found out that they just haul it all to the landfill anyway because no one wants to recycle it!!!)
Finally, flooding is not, and never will be, a problem since we live high on a hill and nowhere near a flood plain.
Mick Fisch,
Some of your concerns will have been answered above, but there were a couple of points I still need to address.
No problem with crushing the walls because they will be sealed in ferro-cement (as I explained earlier) not open gabion baskets. That was my fault for using the idea of a gabion, I guess. Everyone sort of keyed in on that and failed to notice that I said I planned to plaster over them. So they will not be open -- not to be seen, smelled or crushed.
There will be no concrete cap, just the thin (about 1") layer of ferro-cement all around -- top, sides and bottom. The fill will be just that, fill. It will not be bonded with anything so no concrete will be weakened by it.
Cost will only be for fencing, wire and cement. That was the main reason I liked this idea since it basically is the same as using ferro-cement covered strawbales, but actually costs less because there are no bales to buy.
Oh, one last thing. I did want to mention that my husband and I (as well as my father, brothers, brothers-in-law and cousins -- it's a family thing) are very familiar with ferro-cement having worked at making huge (building-sized) artificial rock work in exhibits for the Kansas City Zoo and elsewhere. The only real difference we are contemplating here is that we want to fill the voids with trash instead of air.
Okay, that seems to cover all the major points raised, I think. Let me know if I left anything out. So ... after explaining better, what do you think about the idea?